Overrunning On Lamp

[Allan P 1,150]

For what it's worth I'm with Casso on this one, if the dogs got the desire it will catch in the end. I have said before I don't walk upto squatters but slip the dog from a distance yes he missed a few more in the early days but now if he's slipped he trusts me that's theres something at the end of the beam and his style is to stalk up to it take it out of its seat or if it bottles he had a run.

[Qbgrey 4,089]

I think casso you are right get out thief and have fun but for me a dog but be taught what he'd trotting out to.no use sending dog the beam (if it some how's knows this)when its not looking out for something previously taught by walking up to sitters.all your encouraging idvs lap of the field trying to scent them.

[Allan P 1,150]

At the end of the day it's about getting out there and giving it a go, nothing's set in stone and if it works for you keep doing it.

[Allan P 1,150]

Use of dummies as the OP stated and as I stated will miss more to start with but comes good in the end. That's just the way I do it but I'm far from an expert mine catches fine it's bringing them back that's an issue.

Edited April 7, 2015 by Allan P

[Casso 1,261]

I have no doubt if you had a certain signal or sound or word for squatters , a young dog would twig on quicker then just the normal hissing on sound on the lamp

[skycat 6,173]

if your saying that the dog lacked heart, sounds like a dog unfit for purpose and zero connection to entering , a dog entered in normal fashion , who just decides to jump ship comes down to bad breeding , how can you possibly avoid not catching every rabbit it run , you can't ,

If the minerals are there , they come to the fore , if the breeding is shit , you'll get a shit dog , whether you mollycoddle it or not,

 

Lack of minerals is why I let this bitch go to a ferreting only home, something she enjoyed and was very good at, funnily enough. But I stand by what I say in that I make things as easy as possible for a young dog out first time, walking out to the rabbit rather than slipping it on something in the distance. This has always worked for me: I want it to catch that first time out and I'll walk around looking for the ideal rabbit, ignoring anything running in the distance. Once it has cottoned on to what to do then it can be slipped on stuff up and running or squatters at the very end of the beam. Success breeds success, and getting success right at the beginning can set the stage for the dog to try really hard on subsequent outings, and carry on trying in much more difficult situations. I don't see the point of making it harder than necessary for a first timer.

[weasellurcher 113]

Sorry if this has already been cleared up, I stopped reading at the end of page 4.

Casso, you seem to be clued up on how to raise working dogs and pretty much everything you have said has been sound advice. However I think you may have missed the point of this post and the others replys which is, I believe, Bennys inexperienced lurcher is failing to see rabbits when he is out lamping, He is slipping his dog when he thinks it has seen the rabbit but it hasnt and so just runs down the lamp and keeps on running. Which is the reason slipping the dog on a 50yrd rabbit would be bad because the dog wouldnt see it. So Benny needs to walk up to squatters with the torch on the rabbit so that the dog realises that at the end of the beam is a rabbit. may be wrong but I think thats whats going on.

[Casso 1,261]

Yeah we always want sucess first time out , seems that I dont , of course I do , but what is sucess , the dog trying really hard after been slipped or hissed on , taken 3/4 turns and the rabbit getting in , returning by my side and getting a Good lad ,

Does the dog know that is not sucess ,

Or is the dog returning to me with a bunny sucess and getting a Good lad, how can a dog judge sucess ffs, how does he know he's a sucess or failure and or how will I tell by his expression , a little curl of the lips or a turn down at the edges if he thinks he's a looser

[weasellurcher 113]

success is catching the rabbit otherwise the dog would carry on coursing with the thing in its mouth lol

[Casso 1,261]

The best a dog can feel is when you let him out of the kennel everything else , is a man made belief of canine sucess, when you let him out he's jumpin round smiling , going apeshit and if I go out and we catch feck all as far as he's concerned he's still a winner because he got to go out and chase shit ,

If he feels sucess when he catches , why don't he jump round like earlier ,

Edited April 7, 2015 by Casso

[weasellurcher 113]

coursing a rabbit and catching it is like sex, that feeling of exctasy before you ejaculate and then your done and you kinda just want to go to bed lol

Edited April 7, 2015 by weasellurcher

[weasellurcher 113]

I have no idea actually because im not a dog but that is pretty good analysis!

[Qbgrey 4,089]

Sorry if this has already been cleared up, I stopped reading at the end of page 4.

Casso, you seem to be clued up on how to raise working dogs and pretty much everything you have said has been sound advice. However I think you may have missed the point of this post and the others replys which is, I believe, Bennys inexperienced lurcher is failing to see rabbits when he is out lamping, He is slipping his dog when he thinks it has seen the rabbit but it hasnt and so just runs down the lamp and keeps on running. Which is the reason slipping the dog on a 50yrd rabbit would be bad because the dog wouldnt see it. So Benny needs to walk up to squatters with the torch on the rabbit so that the dog realises that at the end of the beam is a rabbit. may be wrong but I think thats whats going on.

 

well said.in my view its pointless slipping a dog a young dog if it don't know whats at the end of beam.the dog must be taught to follow the beam.also lotsa of pet training is the first thing to teach a dog.recall,fetchn retrieve.sit.stay,leave. etc are all needed in a working lurcher before its taken to lamp.

[Casso 1,261]

 

Sorry if this has already been cleared up, I stopped reading at the end of page 4.

Casso, you seem to be clued up on how to raise working dogs and pretty much everything you have said has been sound advice. However I think you may have missed the point of this post and the others replys which is, I believe, Bennys inexperienced lurcher is failing to see rabbits when he is out lamping, He is slipping his dog when he thinks it has seen the rabbit but it hasnt and so just runs down the lamp and keeps on running. Which is the reason slipping the dog on a 50yrd rabbit would be bad because the dog wouldnt see it. So Benny needs to walk up to squatters with the torch on the rabbit so that the dog realises that at the end of the beam is a rabbit. may be wrong but I think thats whats going on.

 

well said.in my view its pointless slipping a dog a young dog if it don't know whats at the end of beam.the dog must be taught to follow the beam.also lotsa of pet training is the first thing to teach a dog.recall,fetchn retrieve.sit.stay,leave. etc are all needed in a working lurcher before its taken to lamp.

 

Dog don't need to learn any of that to work the lamp , you'll get a natural retrieve if the dog believes the sunshines out of your ass , recall is the last thing I want to do on the lamp , sit , stay leave not at all , dreaming you are

[Qbgrey 4,089]

Whistling a dog back can can save its life if lamping near a road etc.or being somewhere your not meant to be or calling it in for any number of reasons.sit or stay if you don't want it jumping something till I get their or waiting until I turn off pheasant pen electric fence.leave or dead to release its grip on something.if its pins something it shouldn't.or to release of rabbits.you must buy your dogs from somewerd different to me if they come to do all that.I ain't talking super obedient just easier to work with.

Edited April 7, 2015 by Qbgrey