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its easy to blame the dog. most lurchers that quit are entered to early and entered badly. by either imature or ignorant owners . that tend to be over enthusiastic or frustrated. sure a large percenta

Dogs descended from wolves are used to killing for food and used to killing animals that are born prey animals whos biggest defence is to run. In other words its not natural to kill a fox to eat (exce

Good single handed fox dogs are realistically few and far between. Foxing is my game and we do a lot of it. Hunting converts at weekends and lamping. I've brought lads out from up and down the country

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I posted about a second gen deerxgrey I personally saw this bitch take.6 in one night she was the best I've seen it was her goal in life eradicate fox from earth lol edited to say she would hunt em like a hound in the day and when she push one out it hardly ever got away

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Regarding bull x's. When you look at what the bull side of the cross is bred for and what is expected of a goodun then killing a fox should be relatively easy in theory. Yet in practise many don't make the grade as in all lurcher breeding. How many time's have you heard about jackers and how many of the macho lot double n even treble their dogs up on fox. Pre ban good single handed fox dogs wernt as common as what some think.Plenty of dogs would muck in in company but on their own different story. And yes some of them collie X's belter's. Ask some of the macho lot today what line of bull blood is in their lurcher and most ain't got a clue. A lot being bred from any old bulldog that's ragged some poor mongrel about the park and not from a true and proven dog.Good single handed dogs that caught and killed a lot of foxes over a season weren't that common.

Would have to disagree there mate, I know the bull that's in my we line an it has served me an others fine for 13/14 years atvb

 

I did say some mate. I know theirs lads out there who know and care about the right stuff. Good on yourself and others like you. On the other side of the coin theirs a big % of knackers. These clowns didn't and don't now help our sport. You know the type I mean. Macho dreamers thinking a scar like a medal and my dogs got a head like a bucket . pricks. Seen a kid biking a dog last July dog not far off heatstroke getting it fit!July ! Right nice dog owned by knacker. Again good on you and others like you atb

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I've seen some good dogs on the old Charlie and I've seen the same dogs hang back and not take them and when they hang back is if they are sore or not 100% fit old Charlie is a dam good challenge for a dog its like coursing a hare that bites back when caught

If i ever come across a fox thats a good challenge for a lurcher i should shoot the lurcher,they are pish for a 12lb terrier to deal with,a decent sized lurcher should account for them without hesitation,should,the best lurcher ive ever owned would not look at a fox yet she kept me engaged for many a season,they are pish as a lurcher challenge,usually.

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I've seen some good dogs on the old Charlie and I've seen the same dogs hang back and not take them and when they hang back is if they are sore or not 100% fit old Charlie is a dam good challenge for a dog its like coursing a hare that bites back when caught

 

If i ever come across a fox thats a good challenge for a lurcher i should shoot the lurcher,they are pish for a 12lb terrier to deal with,a decent sized lurcher should account for them without hesitation,should,the best lurcher ive ever owned would not look at a fox yet she kept me engaged for many a season,they are pish as a lurcher challenge,usually.
a terrier doesn't have to course a fox round a field and then do its job at the end of it all seen some big old dog fox's put time into lurchers
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I've seen some good dogs on the old Charlie and I've seen the same dogs hang back and not take them and when they hang back is if they are sore or not 100% fit old Charlie is a dam good challenge for a dog its like coursing a hare that bites back when caught

If i ever come across a fox thats a good challenge for a lurcher i should shoot the lurcher,they are pish for a 12lb terrier to deal with,a decent sized lurcher should account for them without hesitation,should,the best lurcher ive ever owned would not look at a fox yet she kept me engaged for many a season,they are pish as a lurcher challenge,usually.
a terrier doesn't have to course a fox round a field and then do its job at the end of it all seen some big old dog fox's put time into lurchers

 

No it does not,yet it often as to dig on and spend more time at the sharp end than any worthwhile lurcher,a terrier that spends a few seconds earning its metal is fecking useless,a lurcher that does the same is often the nucleus of an empire and ego.Don,t ever become befuzzled by what a terrier and lurcher is capable of,it will either make you an average lurcher owner or a piss poor terrier one.

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I've seen some good dogs on the old Charlie and I've seen the same dogs hang back and not take them and when they hang back is if they are sore or not 100% fit old Charlie is a dam good challenge for a dog its like coursing a hare that bites back when caught

 

If i ever come across a fox thats a good challenge for a lurcher i should shoot the lurcher,they are pish for a 12lb terrier to deal with,a decent sized lurcher should account for them without hesitation,should,the best lurcher ive ever owned would not look at a fox yet she kept me engaged for many a season,they are pish as a lurcher challenge,usually.
a terrier doesn't have to course a fox round a field and then do its job at the end of it all seen some big old dog fox's put time into lurchers

No it does not,yet it often as to dig on and spend more time at the sharp end than any worthwhile lurcher,a terrier that spends a few seconds earning its metal is fecking useless,a lurcher that does the same is often the nucleus of an empire and ego.Don,t ever become befuzzled by what a terrier and lurcher is capable of,it will either make you an average lurcher owner or a piss poor terrier one.
I've never underestermated terrier or lurched and I've never been befuzzled I've had big respect for both and I've seen both sides work and know what they go through that's why I've got my views on what they do
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Regarding bull x's. When you look at what the bull side of the cross is bred for and what is expected of a goodun then killing a fox should be relatively easy in theory. Yet in practise many don't make the grade as in all lurcher breeding. How many time's have you heard about jackers and how many of the macho lot double n even treble their dogs up on fox. Pre ban good single handed fox dogs wernt as common as what some think.Plenty of dogs would muck in in company but on their own different story. And yes some of them collie X's belter's. Ask some of the macho lot today what line of bull blood is in their lurcher and most ain't got a clue. A lot being bred from any old bulldog that's ragged some poor mongrel about the park and not from a true and proven dog.Good single handed dogs that caught and killed a lot of foxes over a season weren't that common.

Would have to disagree there mate, I know the bull that's in my we line an it has served me an others fine for 13/14 years atvb

I did say some mate. I know theirs lads out there who know and care about the right stuff. Good on yourself and others like you. On the other side of the coin theirs a big % of knackers. These clowns didn't and don't now help our sport. You know the type I mean. Macho dreamers thinking a scar like a medal and my dogs got a head like a bucket . pricks. Seen a kid biking a dog last July dog not far off heatstroke getting it fit!July ! Right nice dog owned by knacker. Again good on you and others like you atb

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I've seen some good dogs on the old Charlie and I've seen the same dogs hang back and not take them and when they hang back is if they are sore or not 100% fit old Charlie is a dam good challenge for a dog its like coursing a hare that bites back when caught

If i ever come across a fox thats a good challenge for a lurcher i should shoot the lurcher,they are pish for a 12lb terrier to deal with,a decent sized lurcher should account for them without hesitation,should,the best lurcher ive ever owned would not look at a fox yet she kept me engaged for many a season,they are pish as a lurcher challenge,usually.
a terrier doesn't have to course a fox round a field and then do its job at the end of it all seen some big old dog fox's put time into lurchers
No it does not,yet it often as to dig on and spend more time at the sharp end than any worthwhile lurcher,a terrier that spends a few seconds earning its metal is fecking useless,a lurcher that does the same is often the nucleus of an empire and ego.Don,t ever become befuzzled by what a terrier and lurcher is capable of,it will either make you an average lurcher owner or a piss poor terrier one.
I've never underestermated terrier or lurched and I've never been befuzzled I've had big respect for both and I've seen both sides work and know what they go through that's why I've got my views on what they do

 

Thats possibly why you became befuzzled by a terrier and a lurcher coursing,a lurcher on a testing gallop as an habit of quitting,at times,terriers don,t,sometimes.If i could put a terriers mindset into a lurcher id own the finest lurchers known to man,sadly its never worked liked that,possibly why id never own a terrier bred lurcher.

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was just going to mention you matey and them hills alot would depend on what kind of ground and numbers your taking rob some are more suited to a certain task and day or night i cant see the difference theres fox dogs and dogs that can take fox :thumbs:

That last sentence just about sums it up.

 

Cheers, D.

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As BIRD has said the Tug dog was relentless on them , he used to put that much into finishing them I saw him lose 2 teeth one night , but he had the knack , straight to the back of the head , when he died he had only a couple of teeth left , mind I saw one fox show him up ................we slipped him , the fox lay down , as Tug approached to strike the fox got up and jumped over him and got away , his prey drive was immense , he wasn't out 7 days per week but would take as many as we could find in a night ............plus other stuff !

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As BIRD has said the Tug dog was relentless on them , he used to put that much into finishing them I saw him lose 2 teeth one night , but he had the knack , straight to the back of the head , when he died he had only a couple of teeth left , mind I saw one fox show him up ................we slipped him , the fox lay down , as Tug approached to strike the fox got up and jumped over him and got away , his prey drive was immense , he wasn't out 7 days per week but would take as many as we could find in a night ............plus other stuff !

he was hell of dog , Ilike said tug come off good staffs . I know he put some graft in tug day + nights regular , even if took bit of stick it didn't seem to bother him, he was tough bugger. but the lad who had him ,never had another like him, and he had few bullxs after!

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