Brewman 1,192 Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 There isn't a decent right wing party in the UK like in other countries and I'm not putting Ukip down. The feelings the sentiment is there but just not a decent vehicle to carry it on yet. Do you think that could be down to the last war? I think there's enough people living in the UK that remember fighting nazis, as opposed to electing them. Fair point Chris well presented. No, I don't mean fascism. Right wing is probably the wrong description on my part. A political party is needed I suppose that is centre and a little to the right, one which isn't afraid to call a spade a spade. Who will look after their own and legal working immigrants and come down hard on benefit fraudsters, criminals etc. Carlsberg don't do political parties but........ 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,975 Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 (edited) Fair point Chris well presented.No, I don't mean fascism. Right wing is probably the wrong description on my part. A political party is needed I suppose that is centre and a little to the right, one which isn't afraid to call a spade a spade. Who will look after their own and legal working immigrants and come down hard on benefit fraudsters, criminals etc. Carlsberg don't do political parties but........ The problem I see is that this system supports only two parties. At least on a national level. The propaganda machine will quickly demonize an emerging party as soon as it looks like it could be a legitimate threat. Look what they've done with UKIP. The fact that UKIP keeping f***ing shit up just makes it easier for them. But what does anyone expect from a new party? Any new way of doing things has to get past the old school. Too far right and you're a nazi. Too far left and you're a soviet. The spin machine oils it's gears and crushes anything that might be of benefit in favour of the status quo. The more I see of this political bullshit the more I'm wondering that the system isn't broken at all. It was built that way. Edited March 23, 2015 by ChrisJones 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Waz 4,262 Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 Yeh its a b*****d that open door policy,,, where member states nationals can live and work in any country eh mushroom,,,lol Touche......f*** me your on the ball today I spat my tea out reading that sharp,very sharp. LOL. I wondered if my colleagues were happy to tell me they were voting FN (NF) coz theyre fed up working with the 'Roast Beef' LMAO Its 5 years I think here to be able to get any benefits alongside income support type of thing, thats why they all head straight to Calais. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mackem 26,589 Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 Yes but these are not English people I am discussing with and for example I said why is it OK to be proud to be Swedish etc but not English.... No answer Go to china,go to india,go to pakistan,go to thailand,go to the states,they are ALL proud of their countries and their identities (Yes,I know your going to ask why on earth should a pakistani be proud of his country)yet there seems to be shame in this country,some sort of underlying stigma attached to being british,something I never understood as we are a damned sight better than most. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Waz 4,262 Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 Yes but these are not English people I am discussing with and for example I said why is it OK to be proud to be Swedish etc but not English.... No answer Go to china,go to india,go to pakistan,go to thailand,go to the states,they are ALL proud of their countries and their identities (Yes,I know your going to ask why on earth should a pakistani be proud of his country)yet there seems to be shame in this country,some sort of underlying stigma attached to being british,something I never understood as we are a damned sight better than most. I know seems like patriotism is looked at by a lot of people as a dirty word like racist, fascist etc etc. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,773 Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 The problem is more fundamental than Westminster politics or right/left, the problem is with democracy, it doesn't work! LOL How on Earth can we expect to get any sense out of the system when people that don't even understand what a deficit is, how GDP differs to revenue or the ins and outs of geopolitics are allowed to vote! And in most cases probably dominate the vote! If a democracy is to ever work, hard decisions have to be accepted by those that vote and so education on 'politics' has to be of utmost importance. We get the politicians we deserve... I'm in favour of a super elite authoritarian state. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,975 Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 The problem is more fundamental than Westminster politics or right/left, the problem is with democracy, it doesn't work! LOL How on Earth can we expect to get any sense out of the system when people that don't even understand what a deficit is, how GDP differs to revenue or the ins and outs of geopolitics are allowed to vote! And in most cases probably dominate the vote! If a democracy is to ever work, hard decisions have to be accepted by those that vote and so education on 'politics' has to be of utmost importance. We get the politicians we deserve... I'm in favour of a super elite authoritarian state. BH, could you honestly see today's kids even wanting to figure it out? I can't unless someone creates an app where you can smash David Cameron in the testicles. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brewman 1,192 Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 Fair point Chris well presented. No, I don't mean fascism. Right wing is probably the wrong description on my part. A political party is needed I suppose that is centre and a little to the right, one which isn't afraid to call a spade a spade. Who will look after their own and legal working immigrants and come down hard on benefit fraudsters, criminals etc. Carlsberg don't do political parties but........ The problem I see is that this system supports only two parties. At least on a national level. The propaganda machine will quickly demonize an emerging party as soon as it looks like it could be a legitimate threat. Look what they've done with UKIP. The fact that UKIP keeping f***ing shit up just makes it easier for them. But what does anyone expect from a new party? Any new way of doing things has to get past the old school. Too far right and you're a nazi. Too far left and you're a soviet. The spin machine oils it's gears and crushes anything that might be of benefit in favour of the status quo. The more I see of this political bullshit the more I'm wondering that the system isn't broken at all. It was built that way. As you said it is just built for 2 adversaries who are more connected than we will probably ever know. Look at the paedo scandal in the news now. From all parties. Ukip feck shit up because of some of the amateurs in it, it goes back to some people being part of the Look at me brigade so again full of arrogance and self importance but lacking in political savvy. Dear ol' Nige needs to clear house and get some young blood in just like all the other parties. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,975 Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 As you said it is just built for 2 adversaries who are more connected than we will probably ever know. Look at the paedo scandal in the news now. From all parties.Ukip feck shit up because of some of the amateurs in it, it goes back to some people being part of the Look at me brigade so again full of arrogance and self importance but lacking in political savvy. Dear ol' Nige needs to clear house and get some young blood in just like all the other parties. UKIP f****d up because they're inexperienced. They don't know how to play the game as well as the others. If he keeps changing his team out they'll never have the chance to be taken seriously. And you can tell they're being taken seriously by the sheer time and effort from the media in destroying any credibility they may have. Next question is if they manage to play the game, will they change the rules or keep the status quo? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brewman 1,192 Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 I'd like to think change the rules, they don't need to be rebellious for the sake of it just enough to kickstart people's interest in general for more to be vocal and stand up. At the moment people are politically exhausted and feel that it's just futile trying to change. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,975 Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 Political exhaustion? Or apathy? The exhausted are emmigrating. In record numbers. The rest are watching TV with their fingers in their ears going... "La La La La La La La... I can't hear you!" 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marshman 7,757 Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 The media is the most powerful entity on earth . They have the power to make the innocent look guilty and the guilty look innocent , now that's real power ! Because they control the minds of the masses ! 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,975 Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 The media is the most powerful entity on earth . They have the power to make the innocent look guilty and the guilty look innocent , now that's real power ! Because they control the minds of the masses ! Not to mention that the worlds entire media is owned by less than a dozen corporations. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 12,978 Posted March 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 Control the mob control Rome Two tier system citizens and civillians. Citizens serve their country firemen, teachers, military, police, nurses, Drs etc these people are given the vote the rest just carry on. Bit similar to starship troopers End of the day voting should be earnt, not a right! Soon put paid to imported voters and dossers voting to keep their status quo/benefits. And only people who have served can ever run or hold government office It'll never happen though Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neil82 1,080 Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 I don`t think of myself as either left wing or right wing, but I do have my own beliefs and try to stick to them, what pisses me off with politics is they are all lying two faced twats who promise the earth when knocking on your door canvassing for your vote and then either twist things the other way or blame someone else for them not doing what they promised to do, or just blame Europe for not being able to do something, FFS who makes laws in this country, who should set laws that govern us here on this island, who should be doing all they can to defend US, who should be setting laws to protect US in our homes and allow US to protect ourselves when necessary, it says something when the only person I know and trust who has any involvement in politics, be it only on a local level is Jamaican, and this is in Wales, in the area which set fire to holiday homes in the seventies, the heartland of Plaid Cymru, so we have more than just the lib/lab/con lying b*****ds to contend with, vote the usual twats in then set fire to the lot of them, Guy Fawkes had the right idea, just didn't succeed 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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