Low Carb Diet

[gnasher16 30,217]

 

That's another myth that always gripes me, the gym! It seems to have creeped in to popular opinion that to lose weight you HAVE to go to the gym or be more active.... COMPLETE FALLACY!

 

As long as this myth continues to be pushed by all the authorities and experts and Joe in the chip shop normal people who want to shift a stone or two but are not part of any fitness circles will get nowhere.

 

Weight is lost through calorie deficit. Concentrate on your time in the kitchen, forget the gym unless cardiovascular fitness or physical performance is also a consideration.

 

If a person wants to improve their car it makes sense to walk in a garage to seek advice...........this entire topic is a perfect example of why a gym is a good place to seek opinions......telling people trying to improve their body to forget the gym is like telling people trying to improve their car engine to just lift the bonnet and fiddle about with stuff !

Edited March 16, 2015 by gnasher16

[bracken boy 584]

everybodys body is different so find what works for you, thats what i do and have for 5 years now, i dont want to miss all the jewels in the eating world like a pizza, or a curry from time to time and also i love my whisky so all in moderation and a cutdown that works that does work for me.

[leethedog 3,071]

Burn more than you eat think we all need to get out with the dogs more just tell her indoors your doing it to loose weight help ya stop snoring she'll go for that what ya recon

[Wales1234 5,542]

Iv very lucky my old man was a professional football player and im very much like him i can eat pretty much what I want and won't put to much weight on if I eat right and train hard I dont look at my weight aslong as you feel good and have loads of energy your going in the right direction at the moment iv been eating pretty much spot on and in the gym 5 times a week plus rugby training and haven't lost much weight but can see the change in body shape and feel a lot quicker and shaper ! Also even though walking is a very good way to kick start the fitness and weight loss if you walk the dogs a lot anyway your body is use to that you need to go the extra mile and walk further ! every body is different you need to find what works for you and stick to it my old man says to me every morning when I'm leaving for the gym you might not be there yet but you are closer than yesterday !! Nothing like seeing results to push you on !

[Born Hunter 17,780]

 

 

That's another myth that always gripes me, the gym! It seems to have creeped in to popular opinion that to lose weight you HAVE to go to the gym or be more active.... COMPLETE FALLACY!

 

As long as this myth continues to be pushed by all the authorities and experts and Joe in the chip shop normal people who want to shift a stone or two but are not part of any fitness circles will get nowhere.

 

Weight is lost through calorie deficit. Concentrate on your time in the kitchen, forget the gym unless cardiovascular fitness or physical performance is also a consideration.

 

If a person wants to improve their car it makes sense to walk in a garage to seek advice...........this entire topic is a perfect example of why a gym is a good place to seek opinions......telling people trying to improve their body to forget the gym is like telling people trying to improve their car engine to just lift the bonnet and fiddle about with stuff !

 

 

I didn't say that at all Gnasher. If you read what I put in my following posts I said quite the opposite! If you bother to read what I put I said the only function behind weight loss is a calorie deficit. Joining a gym is one way of doing that but if you let your diet increase to compensate it will have absolutely no effect of weight loss. So what is wrong about that? Are you seriously telling me otherwise?

 

Every weight loss diet out there, whether people realise it or not, is based on creating a calorie deficit. You know as well as I do the fitness pros will approach that with a bit more thought than simply cutting calories as they want to maintain a body composition and performance that is at the extremes of what is seen in humans.

 

The average overweight none athlete does not have to join a gym to lose weight and achieve the goals they want. If their goals are to develop a more muscular build or improve physical performance then of course they have to include a training programme and more complex diet.

Edited March 16, 2015 by Born Hunter

[Born Hunter 17,780]

 

Neems, you're completely changing the topic from fat loss to lean mass gains. I told you, the body does have certain limitations with certain metabolic pathways, protein catabolism into muscle protein synthesis being one of them, hence strength athletes splitting protein intake up to 30-40gm hits through the day. But the conversion of excess calorie dense nutrients into fat is, for realistic intake, not limited! You do not just shit out the excess in some magical way.

 

This IS used by serious athletes, they know this and most probably studied it in a masters degree.

 

no.

you can just maintain muscle mass (maybe only to a degree) while dropping weight,in fact this is something anyone whether they're aims are for health,performance or vanity would definitely want to do.

 

you try taking your entire daily protein intake in one sitting then tell me you don't have a nice big dump within the next few hours

 

which gets back to the point we seem to have strayed from 2000 cals in 1 meal is not the same as 2000 cals spread out.

 

 

Neems, you are talking about two different metabolic actions. I'm not disagreeing with you that the body has a limit to using protein for muscle synthesis. But we're not talking about muscle synthesis, we're talking about fat loss! Fat loss in most cases is dependant on the volume of calories, not how you take them, because sure a shit the body will store cals in excess to the more immediate requirements of the body as fat, no matter the source.

 

Lets stop comparing fitness professionals that have different aims when cutting to regular everyday folk who just want to get out of the overweight category. The fundamental principle behind any weight loss is a calorie deficit, that's the bottom line, how you do that depends on your reasons for the weight loss. A fitness pro will be wanting to maintain 100% muscle mass and performance so will approach it differently, with cardio and an intelligent meal plan, all the stuff you are coming out with is correct for that. But a regular overweight Joe on the street just wants to loose the excess pounds, not compete! And time and time again they give up because they fail on a fad diet or believe they HAVE to join a gym to loose the weight.

Edited March 16, 2015 by Born Hunter

[Anthony121184 26]

All these fad type diets are ridiculous, what happens when you start eating all the things u cut out u pile the weight back on, let me just put thousands of people out of work here and make all these diet company's bankrupt. There's a simple way of eating and keeping a healthy weight and that is EVERYTHING and ANYTHING in MODERATION and EXERCISE. its not rocket science a mixed diet not massive portion sizes and get of your arses and stop watching EastEnders and do some bloody exercise. There's no fattys in Africa were they need to walk 5 miles to get water and food.

[MoChara 1,632]

Fellas been at bodybuilding years and he 'hit a wall' so to speak and no matter how much he ate went to gym whatever, he got no bigger, was at a leisure centre gym.. He changed gyms to a bodybuilding gym and boom got advice from an old bodybuilder who used to compete on lifting and eating hey presto - his diet needed other stuff (don't ask me what lol) and a different routine/reps but anyway yes speaking to knowledgable people is a must as above

 

 

As for original posts. I like pasta too much couldn't do a low carb diet hope it does you good GD

[Born Hunter 17,780]

And just because now I've got it on me I decided to bring the gym and health pros to the THL (Because obviously I'm talking out my arse not being a pro myself......)

 

http://www.muscleandstrength.com/articles/need-cardio-fat-loss

 

The saying "abs are made in the kitchen" has become well recognised for a reason....

[hutch6 550]

Yes abs are made in the kitchen but the one reason why diets fail and people yo-yo or will say I've tried all of the diet X,Y and Z etc and I've just piled the weight back on" is so simple when you look at the details and it comes down to one thing: THEY ARE NOT SUSTAINABLE

 

The reasons why they are unsustainable are many but here are a few:

 

Calorie deficit so large it is a task not a mild challenge for the dieter.

 

The food guidance is based around meal replacement shakes. Yes they contain the vitamins and nutrients the body needs but they are not absorbed and utilised the same way as they would from actual food, and who wants to drink shakes for the rest of their lives?

 

The meals that are recommended are lacking in some nutrients and above average in others, plus they are processed which is never a good idea.

 

 

The key to losing weight is understanding your food and it's effect on the human body. It's ok saying "eat 5 a day of fruit and veg" but if you are eating 1 of veg and 4 of fruit then you are consuming a high number of natural sugars as well as missing out on nutrients to be found in the other veg. Another major piece of advice on the fruit stuff is "Eat your fruit, don't drink it!". I bet we could all smash a litre carton of orange juice and not feel like we've even consumed anything and yet in that carton there are on average around 85-95g of sugar. To get a litre of orange juice you'd have have to eat over 15 oranges. The fibre from the fruit benefits you as it makes you feel full but in that litre of juice there is only, on average, 6g of the stuff. In one orange there is 4g. Eating your fruit and veg provides a much better for an over-all feeling and benefit to the body than drinking blended up stuff.

 

Once the person understands the food groups and what they are good for they are in a better position to make a sensible decision about what a plate of food should look like. The next step is to go to the gym, even just for a visitor;s free-day pass and get on a tread mill. Don't get on it and go hell for leather, get on it and enter your weight etc then go at a steady pace that raises your heart rate for 10mins. On the treadmill there will be a calorie counter. After 10mins stop and see how many calories you've used in that 10mins. My guess is it will e the equivalent to half to an apple - 23 calories. Now the person is able to associate the output required to use up the input coming in above maintenance. It's fine when the person eats a sugary snack or has a large pizza etc so long as they are aware of their maintenance requirements and also they can reference the extra calories against something i.e. the physical exertion it took to work off half an apple. If they know a slice of pizza contains approx 300 calories and they are already over the maintenance they know that they will have to go at the pace they did for more than 10x longer. Are they in a position to do that amount of exercise? No, then they can make an educated substitution.

Don't underestimate the power of water by the way. Other than being essential to life and the functions of the body it is great for taking up extra room so a glass of four with every meal will make you make you feel fuller quicker.

Fizzy drinks should be avoided with a meal or altogether if possible. The reason for this is that the carbon dioxide in the drink i.e. the bubbles, neutralises the stomach acid and thus prevents the body from absorbing the nutrients it needs from the food. Fizzy drinks are a massive no no for anyone on a diet or just in general.

 

The last step in "the basics" is looking at the food. Does it look lik eit has come from a factory? Yes. Don't eat it. Does it look like it has just come from the ground, the tree or the field? Yes. Then eat it. Single ingredient foods are what everyone should be aiming for. Anything that has been prepared out of your sight will contain crap, it is that simple as rubbish is cheaper to mass produce when you fill, what should be healthy food - baked beans? It's just beans and sauce right?, with bad fillers such as sugar, salt, syrups and oils. If you have to chop it yourself then feel free to make whatever meals you want.

 

Going back to oils. Olive oil being healthy is a complete myth. Olive oil is simply "the best of a bad bunch". It is better than the other oils but is still bad for you. "But what about the Mediterranean Diet?" Well there was a massive mess up in that piece of research and it's called "The Sardinia Factor".

The study looked at diet and life expectancy from around the Med and it combined all findings with the whole diet and that included a shed load of olive oil. When the data was looked at in more detail the overwhelming figures came from Sardinia where the life expectancy was far greater than that of any other area. When they looked into the diet information there was everything that was found everywhere else except one thing, Olive oil. The Sardinians didn't consume, or consumed very little, olive oil where as the rest of the studied area used olive oil in most meals. Olive oil is bad for you just the same as other oils, it's just the best of a very bad bunch.

 

Insulin is the next key area that the person needs to understand. Insulin is the devil to anyone wanting to lose weight. When insulin levels rise in the human body they grab the fat cells that are swilling around and they dray them away from the digestion process and store them so you put on weight. What raises insulin levels? Simple carbs send your insulin levels through the roof i.e. white breads, potatos, chips, crisps, chocolate, sugary sweet, drinks and cereals. These all raise your insulin levels. The best way to think of it is "they unlock the cage and let out your enemy".

Some people are more tolerant or resistant to insulin levels as you can train your body to deal with simple carbs but that is for the person to read up on and go through trial and error, I can't be bothered typing it all out on here.

 

The person then has to consier what is happening to them when they start to make changes and the weight drops as there are three key areas:

 

1. Weight will drop off quick to begin with but this is water weight. A drop in sodium (salt) from diet will cause the body not to retain water. Funnily enough, drinking more water reduces water retention. So the person will see a very fast drop in weight but won't really see any results i.e. the love handles are still there but they've lost 1stone.

 

2. As the body is on a calorie deficit programme it can't top up the liver sugars (the ones you use that give your bursts of energy you need for sprinting etc) from your normal diet. Before the liver was taking as much as it needed and then firing the excess that was being consumed around the body to be stored as fat. On a deficit now it may only top up to 60% and have to get the other 40% from somewhere else. It does this by turning stored fat into sugars - energy. The quickest and easiest fat to use is that stored around the internal organs. This means the person will see other quick drop in weight but not the results they would expect.

 

3. This is when it gets tough and most people give up on diets. This is because they've lost loads of weight very quickly through loss of water weight and through the internal organ fats but now the body is working harder and thus it takes longer to convert the fat stored away from the organs, in the body tissue, into sugars - energy. This is when you hear stuff like "I lost 2stone in the first three months but I only lost 4lb in the last month". Brilliant news!! You have gone through the big stuff and now you are making headway into the areas that will start to show significant changes in your body shape. They are slower but they are direct and it is is this stage that people really need to focus on the end result rather than thinking they are only losing 1lb a week. 1lb a week is ideal. That is easily achievable and is over 3stone a year.

Now you hear "But I was aiming to lose 3stone in three months" then you are definitely doing a "Diet " and not a "Lifestyle change". They will lose the weight, pat themselves on the back, stop their eating habits and the weight will come back in no time.

Living a healthy lifestyle is just that. Being on a "diet" automatically puts the psychological switch in your head to "I am doing something I'm not enjoying". Being on a diet is always associated with punishing your body and restricting your food to boring things. Making a healthy life style choice can be just reading up on what foods do what, changing crisps for carrots or baby tomatos or it could be a complete overhaul of diet and exercise.

 

 

Quick dip back to bread. Gluten free bread is no better and in some case can be worse for you than you actual bread. The syrups they use raise insulin levels just as high if not higher than the normal bread you were eating anyway. Definitely worth reading up on.

[Born Hunter 17,780]

Hutch, that's all very traditional thinking but there's a fair bit of science now that contradicts that.

 

Just because it's easy here's another link that addresses the low carb business and why insulin is your friend, not the enemy.

http://www.muscleandstrength.com/articles/cutting-diets-low-carb

 

"I think one of the more common misconstrued messages that seems to float around is that carbohydrates cause insulin to be released and insulin is a storage molecule so it will prevent fat loss. This is a rather close-minded way of looking that the physiology of the human body and doesn’t take into account many other factors or the bigger picture. This article will touch on the necessity of insulin in the next section."

 

A calorie deficit is not intended to be sustained, once the fat loss goal has been achieved, the calorie intake is gradually brought back up until weight becomes static. Supplements should not make up the diet, a nutrient balanced whole food diet should make it up with supplementation used for convenience.

 

Also, out of curiosity, why is nutrients gained from processed foods any worse than nutrients gained from the raw material? Which is what I think you are saying?

[Waz 4,266]

Born Hunter can you fcuk off this thread, im having to scroll all through the shit you are posting, youd start an argument in an empty room man.

 

Feel free to start your own thread, this is about low carb.

 

Mods sort it out FFS

[Waz 4,266]

 

 

Insulin is the next key area that the person needs to understand. Insulin is the devil to anyone wanting to lose weight. When insulin levels rise in the human body they grab the fat cells that are swilling around and they dray them away from the digestion process and store them so you put on weight. What raises insulin levels? Simple carbs send your insulin levels through the roof i.e. white breads, potatos, chips, crisps, chocolate, sugary sweet, drinks and cereals. These all raise your insulin levels. The best way to think of it is "they unlock the cage and let out your enemy".

Some people are more tolerant or resistant to insulin levels as you can train your body to deal with simple carbs but that is for the person to read up on and go through trial and error, I can't be bothered typing it all out on here.

 

 

 

Thanks for posting that, dont fully understand all this stuff, but that helps.

 

Did look on some serious dieting forum, but cant understand anything im reading there! But did see ketosis strips mentioned, wondering if these would help me get an idea of when im going right and going wrong.

[Born Hunter 17,780]

Born Hunter can you fcuk off this thread, im having to scroll all through the shit you are posting, youd start an argument in an empty room man.

 

Feel free to start your own thread, this is about low carb.

 

Mods sort it out FFS

 

I'm still talking about low carbs

 

Sorry for breaking into dieting more generally and questioning the real reasons for low carb weight loss.

[TOMO 26,340]

Here's another interesting fact,,,,,the brain only uses energy from carbohydrates ,,in the form of glucose,,

 

Better get some more carbs down you waz,,,,or you might end up licking windows,,lol