If God Made Everything, Who Made Him ?

[ChrisJones 7,975]

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Lol funny chris but the propaganda dont work, evoloution is a religon, with no foundation

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Still doesn't validate the bible or prove the existance of god.

[Truther 1,579]

What question mate, to be fair the melting pot of the middle east has nothing to do with it,,,the evo model states we all came out of africa, millio.s of years ago, but these scientists traced us back to the middle east same time as the flood of noah, traced all ancestors pretty accuratley right back till there was nobody left, so our population on earth started a few thousand years ago at the time of the flood,,, conincidence, i think not mate

 

You should have a look at Randall Carlsons vids QB, interesting stuff about the floods and bible stories, he's a very clued up fella imo.

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What question mate, to be fair the melting pot of the middle east has nothing to do with it,,,the evo model states we all came out of africa, millio.s of years ago, but these scientists traced us back to the middle east same time as the flood of noah, traced all ancestors pretty accuratley right back till there was nobody left, so our population on earth started a few thousand years ago at the time of the flood,,, conincidence, i think not mate

You should have a look at Randall Carlsons vids QB, interesting stuff about the floods and bible stories, he's a very clued up fella imo.

Had a look already truther, thanks for that mate, going to watch it again

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Still doesn't validate the bible or prove the existance of god.

Ok chris you want validation for the bible an God, ok well start with this, have a read see what yo think mate.....

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The Universe

 

Time and Space:

Most people read the very first verse in the Bible, without giving it another thought. However a closer examination of this verse reveals that the author of Genesis verbalized exactly the same sophisticated principle that scientists use thousands of years later. Science expresses the universe in five terms: time, space, matter, power and motion. So does Genesis 1.

 

"In the beginning (time) God created (power) the Heaven (space) and the Earth (matter)... And the Spirit of God moved (motion) upon the face of the waters." [Genesis 1:1,3 written some 3450 years ago].

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The Beginning:

The word "beginning" refers specifically to the beginning of time. However, for many years scientists were convinced that the universe was infinite (without end), and that time had always existed. The COsmic Background Explorer (COBE), also referred to as Explorer 66, was a NASA space mission designed to test the Big Bang theory of the origin of the universe and apparently provided evidence that supported the idea that the universe had a beginning..

 

Note: The Big Bang theory, initially proposed in 1946 by George Gamow, a Russian-born scientist who believed that a primeval fireball, or an intense concentration of pure energy at some finite time in the past was the source of all the matter that now exists in the universe.

 

I wonder how many billions of dollars Explorer 66 cost. Yet someone only had to open the first page of a $10.00 Bible to know the universe had a beginning, before which there was

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An Initial Void:

A Time Magazine article dated Dec. 1976 said

 

Most cosmologists scientists who study the structure and evolution of the universe, agree that the biblical account of creation, in imagining an initial void, may be uncannily close to the truth. [Emphasis Added]

 

Adding

 

in 1929, when Astronomer Edwin Hubble used shifts in the spectral lines of light emanating from distant galaxies to calculate that the islands of stars are moving at tremendous speeds away from the earth−and from each other−like dots painted on the surface of an expanding balloon. To some scientists, this outward rush of the galaxies suggested an original cosmic explosion. [2]

 

Edwin Hubble showed that distant galaxies were, receding from the earth, and the further away they were, the faster they were moving, which leads to an interesting conclusion... the earth is the center of God's attention in the universe. Surprise! Surprise! However not only are the galaxies rushing outward, but the universe is also expanding.

[Truther 1,579]

 

 

What question mate, to be fair the melting pot of the middle east has nothing to do with it,,,the evo model states we all came out of africa, millio.s of years ago, but these scientists traced us back to the middle east same time as the flood of noah, traced all ancestors pretty accuratley right back till there was nobody left, so our population on earth started a few thousand years ago at the time of the flood,,, conincidence, i think not mate

You should have a look at Randall Carlsons vids QB, interesting stuff about the floods and bible stories, he's a very clued up fella imo.

Had a look already truther, thanks for that mate, going to watch it again

 

 

Have a look at his other vids, he's got plenty on YT. This is a good one

 

https://youtu.be/G0Cp7DrvNLQ

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Expanding Universe:

The prophet Isaiah who lived almost 3,000 years ago stated

 

"It is He that . . . stretches out the heavens as a curtain, and spreads them out as a tent to dwell in." [40:22]

 

Scientists are beginning to understand that the universe is expanding, or stretching out. At least seven times the Scriptures clearly tell us that God stretches out the heavens like a curtain.

 

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Space is Empty:

In ancient times it was variously believed that the earth sat on a large animal or a giant, or even that a mythical Atlas supported the pillars that held heaven and earth apart, and/or carried the earth around on his shoulders (Where he stood while doing so presents an interesting conundrum). However, in what is probably the oldest book of the Bible, Job, living in an ancient culture that knew nothing about space or planets, asserted that God hung the earth on nothing (1500 B.C.) or, in other words, the earth free floats in space.

 

"He stretches out the north over empty space; he hangs the earth on nothing [Job 26:7]

 

A fascinating tidbit from scientific history makes the first part of this verse even more telling. Until very recently scientists believed space consisted of a hypothetical substance called Ether. Note the following from Eric Weisstein's World of Science [All Emphasis Added]

 

Ether, or luminiferous Ether, was the hypothetical substance through which electromagnetic waves travel. It was proposed by the greek philosopher Aristotle and used by several optical theories as a way to allow propagation of light, which was believed to be impossible in "empty" space.

 

It was supposed that the ether filled the whole universe and was a stationary frame of reference, which was rigid to electromagnetic waves but completely permeable to matter. Hooke endorsed the idea of the existence of the ether in his work Micrographia (1665), and other several philosophers of the 17th century, including Huygens, did the same. At the time of Maxwell's mathematical studies of electromagnetism (in the 1860s), ether was still assumed to be the propagation medium and was imbued with physics properties such as permeability and permittivity.

 

In 1887, a crucial experiment was performed by Michelson and Edward Morley in an attempt to detect the existence of the ether. The experiment, named the Michelson-Morley experiment in honor of its authors, shocked the scientific community by yielding results which implied the non-existence of ether. This result was later on used by Einstein to refute the existence of the ether and allowed him to develop special relativity without this artificial (and non-existent) constraint. [3]

 

Which bring us to the second half of Job 26:7

 

 

That Hole In The North

Another interesting tidbit that illuminates the Divine origin of Scripture is the recent discovery of a huge hole in space in the direction of the northern hemisphere

 

The universe has a huge hole in it that dwarfs anything else of its kind. The discovery caught astronomers by surprise. The hole is nearly a billion light-years across. It is not a black hole, which is a small sphere of densely packed matter. Rather, this one is mostly devoid of stars, gas and other normal matter, and it's also strangely empty of the mysterious "dark matter" that permeates the cosmos. Other space voids have been found before, but nothing on this scale. [4]

 

This "gap" is in the Northern Hemisphere, lying in the general direction of the constellation Bootes. This "hole in space" is a 300 million light year gap in the distribution of galaxies, has taken cosmologists by surprise, not because it exists, but because it is so big.

 

Indeed, He stretches out the north over the empty place.

 

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Air Has Weight:

The fact that air has weight was proven scientifically only about 300 years ago. The relative weights of air and water are needed for the efficient functioning of the worlds hydrologic cycle, which in turn sustains life on the earth.

 

When He imparted weight to the wind and meted out the waters by measure [Job 28:25] [Emphasis Added]

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Those Singing Stars...

Science has discovered that stars emit radio waves, which are received on earth as a high pitch. God mentioned this in Job 38:7: "When the morning stars sang together..." In fact…

 

The galaxy is full of objects that emit radio waves, including black holes and stars of various kinds [5]

 

 

... And There are Quite a Few of Them:

The first star catalogue was compiled by the Egyptian astronomer Ptolemy in the 2nd century ad. Called the Almagest, it listed the names and locations of 1,028 stars. However, because of telescopes such as the Hubble, we now know that...

 

Stars are not spread uniformly across the universe, but are normally grouped into galaxies along with interstellar gas and dust. A typical galaxy contains hundreds of billions of stars, and there are more than 100 billion (1011) galaxies in the observable universe. While it is often believed that stars only exist within galaxies, intergalactic stars have been discovered. Astronomers estimate that there are at least 70 sextillion (7×1022) stars in the observable universe. [Wikipedia].

 

But didn’t God already say that?? [All Emphasis Added]

 

God said to Abraham 'Look now toward heaven, and count the stars if you are able to number them.' And He said to him, 'So shall your descendants be.' (Genesis 15:5)".

 

'As the host of heaven (stars) cannot be numbered, nor the sand of the sea measured, so will I multiply the descendants of David My servant (Jeremiah 33:22).

 

"Therefore from one man, ...were born as many as the stars of the sky in multitude-- innumerable as the sand which is by the seashore. (Hebrews 11:12)"

 

“The Bible asserts that the stars are innumerable (Genesis 15:5, Genesis 17:7, Hebrews 11:12). This does not necessarily mean that we are incapable of mathematically expressing their number. It means that no human has the ability to count them individually so as to achieve their sum. It is claimed that there are 100 billion stars in our galaxy alone. If stars were counted around the clock at one star per second, then it would take over 3000 years just to count these. Add to this the fact that there are as many as 100 billion galaxies. However, there were many scholars prior to Galileo who believed that the stars could be counted, and several attempts were made to do so. Many of these counts arrived at around 1000 stars.” [1]

 

Which brings Psalm 8: 3-4 to mind

 

When I consider Your heavens, the work of Your fingers, the moon and the stars, which You have ordained; What is man that You take thought of him, And the son of man that You care for him?

 

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The Earth

 

Atoms:

All matter is composed of atoms. Only in recent years has science discovered that everything we see is composed of things that we cannot see- tiny invisible particles called atoms, made up of electrons and protons, which are really not solids, but positive and negative charges of electricity. Whether he specifically understood it or not, the author of the books of Hebrews wrote about atomic structure, nearly 2000 years before it was discovered by scientists.

 

By faith we understand that the worlds were prepared by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things which are visible. [Hebrews 11:3] [Emphasis Added]

 

Interestingly the atom has a dense center called the nucleus, inside which are neutrons, which have no electrical charge and are therefore neutral and protons, which have positive charges. One law of electricity is that like charges repel one another. Therefore, since the protons inside the nucleus are all positive charges, they should repel one another and scatter, but for some reason they do not. There is a binding force, not yet understood, holding them together. Hmmm!

 

"For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together." (Colossians 1:16-17).

 

 

The Earth is a Sphere:

The following statement was made some 2800 years ago (some 750 years before Christ) by a divinely inspired Isaiah.

 

"He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in." (Isaiah 40:22)

 

Although Aristotle provided observational evidence for the spherical Earth around 330 BC, most pre-Socratic philosophers, including Leucippus (c. 440 BC) and Democritus (c. 460-370 BC) believed in a flat earth. However, by the time of Christopher Columbus he, and most other educated people of their time, knew that the earth was round. In fact, the Greek mathematician Eratostenes accurately calculated the earth's circumference in the third century before Christ.

 

Other statements in the Bible also indicate that God revealed this truth long ago. For example, David said that God has removed our transgression from us as far as the east is from the west (Ps 103:12). On a spherical surface, east and west are infinitely separated in the sense that one can travel indefinitely in either direction without ever attaining the other. However, Solomon described the wind as blowing in circuits, first towards the south and then turning toward the north. North and south are not infinitely separated as east and west, because a southward traveler on a spherical surface will be heading north after crossing the south pole. [1]

 

Also take a moment to really consider the next verse.. [Emphasis Added]

 

"He has inscribed a circle on the surface of the waters at the boundary of light and darkness." (Job 26:10)

 

Job 26:10 clearly refers to the line of demarcation between day and night. No other interpretation is possible. Such a view of the curved horizon at sunrise or sunset can only be seen from extremely high altitudes reached only by military jets and spacecraft. These writers were given a view of the Earth as a sphere long before Eratosthenes determined that the earth was round in 240BC. He did this by by measuring shadows in Egyptian wells. Although there is a specific Hebrew word for "sphere," the word used in these passages ("khug") can mean both circle or sphere. It refers to the shape of an orange as it might be represented in a two-dimensional picture. [6]

 

Please note that verses like Isaiah 11:12 that refer to "the four corners of the earth", are a colloquialism that is still used today uto portray the four compass extremities of the earth. In fact the Strongs Greek/Hebrew dictionary defines the word "corner" (gonia) as angle, or quadrant.