sandymere 8,263 Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 (edited) On a more sensible note the Dome of the Rock highlights the problem of 3 religions (Islam, Judaism and Christianity) and their deities claiming rights the a piece of land in modern day Israel, as a simile of the larger world. In times past a prophet could claim to hear from god and round up a local following that would eventually find the desire to create a new religion and worship the prophet and his words and life, but the world would go on and do it's best to assimilate and accomodate the new religion and the believers. Time would pass and a new prophet and a new religion would seek believers in honor of the new deity. The problem for the world at this juncture is that this has happened three times in one place in history and now "Houston we have a problem". Who has rightful claim to the land on which the Dome of the Rock sits? The world sits and watches as we now have 3 different deities competing for the rights to a piece of ground. First, the jews built a temple where animal sacrifice and worship to Yahweh centered their culture for centuries. Then came Jeshua, an iteranite jewish prophet who claimed Yahweh for his own and taught new teachings and a new religion. Four hundred years after his death a chapel was built on the destroyed temple mound to honor this Jesus. Two hundred years later, muslim conquerors leveled that shrine and built the dome on the rock mosque. It is said to be the place where Mohammed, their prophet was welcomed into paradise by his god Allah. Fast forward 1400 years and you have passionate followers of these gods claiming ownership of the holy ground. Passionate sermons and ministries are founded to push for the rebuilding of the temple so Jesus can come back to earth. The jewish Israeli's who have dispossed the palestinians of their homes, land, water and freedom in order to occupy the country given to them after World War II believe that nothing less than a pure jewish state is their right, given to them by their god, and the muslims revere the dome of the rock as one of their most holy sites. What is the solution to this collusion of deities? How many gods can one piece of land accomodate? The fundamentalists of all three of these religions have no appetite for compromise and no one is backing down from loyalty to their ancient prophets and stone age gods and their "supposed" but unproven miracles. A substantial lack of proof for these "divine revelations" seems to hold no bearing for a modern man committed to his ancient gods. In a shrinking world possessed of atomic bombs it does not appear that any of these three gods is capable of stopping the other god of destructive genocide and domination by right of the "largest bombs" and "largest military" and most passionate believers willing to die for their deity. Why modern man clings to these ancient gods who did not advance the cause of mankind by simply explaining the "germ theory" of disease when they walked on the earth speaks of their total lack of knowledge of knowledge. The deities guiding them were content to let mankind suffer in ignorance for centuries. The 1800's began to bring about advances in science in spite of every attempt by religion to stop the progress of science. These deities never felt the need to speak of the human rights of slaves or women and both suffered for 2,000 years after the death of jesus. What good is a deity that encourages the death of any person who does not "believe" and condemns creation to an eternal place of punishment for skepticism and honest doubt? Without science mankind would be back in his illiterate stone age, but with these ancient religions mankind may end his planet all together with weapons of mass destruction. I vote we give up the confused and unenlightened deities and follow reason and logic and justice and call it a new day without stone age illiterate prophets who claim to speak for their god to be silenced in our minds and in our hearts. Edited March 27, 2015 by sandymere 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quarter bull 240 Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 You glad you got that off your chest,,lol..was that Dawkins you copied an pasted that from sandy...heard the same propaganda before... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quarter bull 240 Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Your in consistencies are lies sandy, can you not tell truth Matthew the verse you referred to . Switch to the 1611 KJV Matthew Chapter 1 or view a Matthew 1 parallel comparison. 1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. 2 Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren; 3 And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram; 4 And Aram begat Aminadab; and Aminadab begat Naasson; and Naasson begat Salmon; 5 And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse; 6 And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias; 7 And Solomon begat Roboam; and Roboam begat Abia; and Abia begat Asa; 8 And Asa begat Josaphat; and Josaphat begat Joram; and Joram begat Ozias; 9 And Ozias begat Joatham; and Joatham begat Achaz; and Achaz begat Ezekias; 10 And Ezekias begat Manasses; and Manasses begat Amon; and Amon begat Josias; 11 And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon: 12 And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel; 13 And Zorobabel begat Abiud; and Abiud begat Eliakim; and Eliakim begat Azor; 14 And Azor begat Sadoc; and Sadoc begat Achim; and Achim begat Eliud; 15 And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob; 16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ. 17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations. 18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. 19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily. 20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. 21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. 22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, 23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. 24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: 25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quarter bull 240 Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Luke 3 23,31 If your going to lie try a bit harder sandy And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased. 23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli, 24 Which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Janna, which was the son of Joseph, 25 Which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Amos, which was the son of Naum, which was the son of Esli, which was the son of Nagge, 26 Which was the son of Maath, which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Semei, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Juda, 27 Which was the son of Joanna, which was the son of Rhesa, which was the son of Zorobabel, which was the son of Salathiel, which was the son of Neri, 28 Which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Addi, which was the son of Cosam, which was the son of Elmodam, which was the son of Er, 29 Which was the son of Jose, which was the son of Eliezer, which was the son of Jorim, which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, 30 Which was the son of Simeon, which was the son of Juda, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Jonan, which was the son of Eliakim, 31 Which was the son of Melea, which was the son of Menan, which was the son of Mattatha, which was the son of Nathan, which was the son of David, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quarter bull 240 Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 (edited) JOSEPH, WHEN HE MARRIED MARY, BECAME THE SON OF HELI ACCORDING TO THE LAW OF MOSES AND COULD LEGALLY BE INCLUDED IN THE GENEALOGY. You know nothing of bible sandy your making yourself look, petty an stupid With regards to the alleged two fathers of Joseph, the explanation of the differences between Matthew 1 and Luke 3 is quite simple. Luke traced Christs lineage through Mary, while Matthew traced it through Joseph. Try again sandy lol Edited March 27, 2015 by Quarter bull Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quarter bull 240 Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Saying you like bible so much, here's one you should read.....enjoy Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? 5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye. 6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you. 7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: 8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. 9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? 10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? 11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him? 12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. 13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. The Golden Rule Matthew Chapter 7 : 9 15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it. 28 And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine: 29 For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quarter bull 240 Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Sandy Christians aren't claiming the holy lands, another lie,,,,an the Jewish people people are on the streets protesting about what their government are doing to the Palestinians, its just not on mainstream,,, oh an Jesus is not coming back to sit in the temple,, that's Antichrist....your just a liar mate...caught out Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quarter bull 240 Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Example one I'd like to share this video. Jews protest against Israel and Zionism. https://youtu.be/5uEK7zaMEBg Powered by TubeMate (http://tubemate.net) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quarter bull 240 Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Here ahamdenajad .eeys Jewish rabbis.do not believe the media I'd like to share this video. President Ahmadinejad Meets Neturei Karta Rabbis - 9/24/2007 https://youtu.be/R-r04SQ97_Q Powered by TubeMate (http://tubemate.net) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shepp 2,285 Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 QB if you put as much effort in doing a days work as you do with all this bollocks, then you would be a wealthy man lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quarter bull 240 Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Haha I'm at work,, I'm I'm just about to start me own business aswell Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sandymere 8,263 Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 LOL your clutching at straws QB.......................... lets have your thoughts on say stoning, does the bible suggest it and if so do you condone it????? They found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. ... And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones.... And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses. Numbers 15:32-56 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother ... Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city ... And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die. Deuteronomy 21:18-21 If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her ... and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate: And the damsel's father shall say ... these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. ... But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die. Deuteronomy 22:13-21 and there's more, just can't be a7rsed to find em So do you feel that these are appropriate punishments or is the bible/god wrong???? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hutch6 550 Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Who's getting what Easter egg then? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 https://youtu.be/-suvkwNYSQo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quarter bull 240 Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 Real nice guy he is, he so far up his own are I can't tell were he starts or ends.lol........the blame game again.....maybe Byrne should have said to him if you had obeyed the simple rules of the creator...instead of running after our own lusts..we wouldn't have the suffering we do..or if man hadn'tpolluted our food air an water maybe we wwouldn't have cancer.... AW well he entitled to his opinion Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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