If God Made Everything, Who Made Him ?

[Quarter bull 240]

"Thallus (52AD)

Thallus is perhaps the earliest secular writer to mention Jesus and he is so ancient his writings dont even exist anymore. But Julius Africanus, writing around 221AD does quote Thallus who previously tried to explain away the darkness occurring at Jesus crucifixion:"

 

So Thallus is probably the earliest non christian to mention jesus, so ancient his writings don't even exist, then Africanus quotes him 170 years later, and you think that holds water?

None of the authors lived during the time of jesus from what i can see, some missing him by just a few decades fair enough, but every single one relying on other peoples accounts, funny that somebody as remarkable as jesus was never written about by a contemporary non christian? And its not always what's put in the stories mate, the stuff that's left out is telling, last count i think its over 30 "jesus" characters living and preaching around the same area/time as you're jesus, not to mention nearly every culture on Earth having a jesus character? Krishna is probably the best known, but the N. American natives had a jesus character, the Chinese jesus fell to Earth from the skies and became the first emporer Its a well used formula QB, the idea is to separate these individuals from mortal men, to make them something special, and above ordinary people, even our jokers now think they can trace their bloodlines back to jesus, and so god, its a complete rubbish mate. One of these people had the whole bible translated, and as you said, "it was checked and checked again and again" i bet it was mate, so it gave the exact impression he wanted it to, not to mention it was done 1600 years after the event, and with documents dating no earlier than 400 years before that? With a whole lot left out, that is documented Maybe in 400 years time people will think Harry Potter is true?

So you will believe your Roman record but the ones I put ate no good, truther you are a hypocrite, the one I put up were non Christian people, who disliked Jesus, you will just deny all your clutching at straws, you say it was the elite who wrote the bible haha your in their pocket my friend, without a doubt, you haven't even got nothing to go on, you haven't a whistle to say about the bible, get back to me when you have any decent claims

[Quarter bull 240]

Genesis 4:14-17 KJV

 

Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.

 

And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

 

And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

 

And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

 

So we all know the creation fable in the Bible. Adam is made by God from dirt. Then God takes one on Adams ribs and makes Eve. Then the talking snake gets them tossed out of Eden for telling them that knowledge is a good thing and they agree. They have a a couple of kids (maybe more, its a little open ended) named Cain and Able. Cain gets crap from God because his sacrifice wasnt blood like Ables, so he gets pissed and kills Able.because.well just because. God then sends him away and he goes to live with people in the Land of Nod where he has a wife and a kid named Enoch.

 

The only problem here is where the %$#% did this people in the Land of Nod come from? There wasnt anyone else around. Thats the story. But out of nowhere this whole big place comes up where a brother murder can go and find chicks to shack up with.

 

Heck there was enough people here they needed a whole city. Its a pretty big jump no matter how you cut it.

 

The other thing about this that is pretty silly is that God marked Cain so that anyone who found him should kill him. Well, that apparently didnt work too well. Hes out having kids and building cities and just having a fine time and no one lifts a finger to stop him. Youd think that if an all-powerful being wanted you dead, youd damn well be dead.

So you've decided to come out of the cracks again sandy, I don't know why I'm replying to you, I asked you a few questions last time after your rant, an you were to yellow to answer.

 

You shouldn't talk about stuff you don't know anything about,....it says lest any man should kill him, God marked him so no one would touch him, doh

 

An it says Cain knew his wife, that means had sex silly bollox, he was married an all before going to nod, an they were people there his relatives, his brothers sisters niece nephews cousins, his own blood yes but people none the less, if you read the rest of the book you'd know, your just a wee yellow boll

[Quarter bull 240]

Genesis 4:14-17 KJV

 

Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.

 

And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

 

And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

 

And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

 

So we all know the creation fable in the Bible. Adam is made by God from dirt. Then God takes one on Adams ribs and makes Eve. Then the talking snake gets them tossed out of Eden for telling them that knowledge is a good thing and they agree. They have a a couple of kids (maybe more, its a little open ended) named Cain and Able. Cain gets crap from God because his sacrifice wasnt blood like Ables, so he gets pissed and kills Able.because.well just because. God then sends him away and he goes to live with people in the Land of Nod where he has a wife and a kid named Enoch.

 

The only problem here is where the %$#% did this people in the Land of Nod come from? There wasnt anyone else around. Thats the story. But out of nowhere this whole big place comes up where a brother murder can go and find chicks to shack up with.

 

Heck there was enough people here they needed a whole city. Its a pretty big jump no matter how you cut it.

 

The other thing about this that is pretty silly is that God marked Cain so that anyone who found him should kill him. Well, that apparently didnt work too well. Hes out having kids and building cities and just having a fine time and no one lifts a finger to stop him. Youd think that if an all-powerful being wanted you dead, youd damn well be dead.

So you've decided to come out of the cracks again sandy, I don't know why I'm replying to you, I asked you a few questions last time after your rant, an you were to yellow to answer.

 

You shouldn't talk about stuff you don't know anything about,....it says lest any man should kill him, God marked him so no one would touch him, doh

 

An it says Cain knew his wife, that means had sex silly bollox, he was married an all before going to nod, an they were people there his relatives, his brothers sisters niece nephews cousins, his own blood yes but people none the less, if you read the rest of the book you'd know, your just a wee yellow bollox who's on to stir shit instead of an adult bita craic, you couldn't even answer my last questions, cause you don't even understand your own, away with ya an do your homework or play with toys lol

[Quarter bull 240]

Double post, fudging phone

[RemyBolt 420]

The law lets you calculate what happens. In science, the theory explains why. The theory of relativity explains why things fall to the ground.

Gravity makes things fall to the ground. Relativity is talking about the relationship between speed, time, and mass.

 

Anyway, onto the topic in conversation…This debate will go on for a very long time. Those that believe, I am with you 100%. However, for those that do not believe, before casting judgement on the believers, ask fair questions and truly think about the response.

 

The worst that's going to happen is you think the Christian is full of bollocks, and your life has not changed. So listening to them does you no harm. However, if you give time to think that there are a lot of scientists that believe, a lot of very intelligent people from astronomers to archeologists then there must be some credence to their views. If some of the brightest minds are saying they believe, then clearly not all Christians are idiots or uneducated, or brainwashed.

 

If you're going to argue against a Christian, that's brilliant (no joke, it forces the Christian to do more research and learn more themselves. I've learned from this thread and am grateful for it), but please argue a from a corner with a researched perspective or sound logical reasoning.

 

I think you'll all agree that this 'chat' has been eventful. Any genuine questions answered to the best of the ability of any Christians on here.

 

I am stepping out of this as I want to cook up some mouflon burgers. But if it continues, I look forward to reading what's going on.

 

Great debate, really enjoyed it so far….yes, this is probably why I have my title.

Edited March 25, 2015 by RemyBolt

[sandymere 8,263]

 

Genesis 4:14-17 KJV

 

Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.

 

And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

 

And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

 

And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

 

So we all know the creation fable in the Bible. Adam is made by God from dirt. Then God takes one on Adams ribs and makes Eve. Then the talking snake gets them tossed out of Eden for telling them that knowledge is a good thing and they agree. They have a a couple of kids (maybe more, its a little open ended) named Cain and Able. Cain gets crap from God because his sacrifice wasnt blood like Ables, so he gets pissed and kills Able.because.well just because. God then sends him away and he goes to live with people in the Land of Nod where he has a wife and a kid named Enoch.

 

The only problem here is where the %$#% did this people in the Land of Nod come from? There wasnt anyone else around. Thats the story. But out of nowhere this whole big place comes up where a brother murder can go and find chicks to shack up with.

 

Heck there was enough people here they needed a whole city. Its a pretty big jump no matter how you cut it.

 

The other thing about this that is pretty silly is that God marked Cain so that anyone who found him should kill him. Well, that apparently didnt work too well. Hes out having kids and building cities and just having a fine time and no one lifts a finger to stop him. Youd think that if an all-powerful being wanted you dead, youd damn well be dead.

So you've decided to come out of the cracks again sandy, I don't know why I'm replying to you, I asked you a few questions last time after your rant, an you were to yellow to answer.

 

You shouldn't talk about stuff you don't know anything about,....it says lest any man should kill him, God marked him so no one would touch him, doh

 

An it says Cain knew his wife, that means had sex silly bollox, he was married an all before going to nod, an they were people there his relatives, his brothers sisters niece nephews cousins, his own blood yes but people none the less, if you read the rest of the book you'd know, your just a wee yellow bollox who's on to stir shit instead of an adult bita craic, you couldn't even answer my last questions, cause you don't even understand your own, away with ya an do your homework or play with toys lol

 

A whole city of people in one generation LOL,lordy i expect an attack of Hemorrhoids any time now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

God smote them with hemorrhoids in their secret parts

 

The Philistines took the ark of God ... unto Ashdod ... into the house of Dagon, and set it by Dagon. 1 Samuel 5.1-2

 

The next morning Dagon had fallen on his face.

 

When they of Ashdod arose early on the morrow, behold, Dagon was fallen upon his face. 5.3

 

So they put Dagon back in his place, but the next morning he had fallen down again, and this time his head and hands had fallen off, so he was no more than a stump.

 

When they arose early on the morrow morning, behold, Dagon was fallen upon his face to the ground before the ark of the LORD; and the head of Dagon and both the palms of his hands were cut off upon the threshold; only the stump of Dagon was left to him. 5.4

 

Then God started to get nasty. He destroyed the people of Asdod and smote those that survived with hemorrhoids.

 

But the hand of the LORD was heavy upon them of Ashdod, and he destroyed them, and smote them with emerods (hemorrhoids). 5.6

 

So the people of Ashdod decided to send the ark to another Philistine city: Gath.

 

What shall we do with the ark of the God of Israel? And they answered, Let the ark of the God of Israel be carried about unto Gath. And they carried the ark of the God of Israel about thither. 5.8

 

And then God smote the people of Gath, the small and the great, with hemorrhoids in their secret parts.

 

The hand of the LORD was against the city with a very great destruction: and he smote the men of the city, both small and great, and they had emerods in their secret parts. 5.9

 

After that, what do you think the Gathites decided to do with God's ark? They sent it to Ekron.

 

Therefore they sent the ark of God to Ekron. 5.10

 

When the ark arrived at Ekron, God did the usual thing: he killed most of the people and gave the rest hemorrhoids.

 

There was a deadly destruction throughout all the city; the hand of God was very heavy there. And the men that died not were smitten with the emerods: and the cry of the city went up to heaven. 5.11-12

 

As Thomas Jefferson said on an entirely different subject: “Ridicule is the only weapon that can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them.”

Edited March 25, 2015 by sandymere

[Quarter bull 240]

 

 

 

Genesis 4:14-17 KJV

 

Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.

 

And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

 

And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

 

And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

 

So we all know the creation fable in the Bible. Adam is made by God from dirt. Then God takes one on Adams ribs and makes Eve. Then the talking snake gets them tossed out of Eden for telling them that knowledge is a good thing and they agree. They have a a couple of kids (maybe more, its a little open ended) named Cain and Able. Cain gets crap from God because his sacrifice wasnt blood like Ables, so he gets pissed and kills Able.because.well just because. God then sends him away and he goes to live with people in the Land of Nod where he has a wife and a kid named Enoch.

 

The only problem here is where the %$#% did this people in the Land of Nod come from? There wasnt anyone else around. Thats the story. But out of nowhere this whole big place comes up where a brother murder can go and find chicks to shack up with.

 

Heck there was enough people here they needed a whole city. Its a pretty big jump no matter how you cut it.

 

The other thing about this that is pretty silly is that God marked Cain so that anyone who found him should kill him. Well, that apparently didnt work too well. Hes out having kids and building cities and just having a fine time and no one lifts a finger to stop him. Youd think that if an all-powerful being wanted you dead, youd damn well be dead.

So you've decided to come out of the cracks again sandy, I don't know why I'm replying to you, I asked you a few questions last time after your rant, an you were to yellow to answer.

 

You shouldn't talk about stuff you don't know anything about,....it says lest any man should kill him, God marked him so no one would touch him, doh

 

An it says Cain knew his wife, that means had sex silly bollox, he was married an all before going to nod, an they were people there his relatives, his brothers sisters niece nephews cousins, his own blood yes but people none the less, if you read the rest of the book you'd know, your just a wee yellow bollox who's on to stir shit instead of an adult bita craic, you couldn't even answer my last questions, cause you don't even understand your own, away with ya an do your homework or play with toys lol

A whole city of people in one generation LOL,lordy i expect an attack of Hemorrhoids any time now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

God smote them with hemorrhoids in their secret parts

 

The Philistines took the ark of God ... unto Ashdod ... into the house of Dagon, and set it by Dagon. 1 Samuel 5.1-2

 

The next morning Dagon had fallen on his face.

 

When they of Ashdod arose early on the morrow, behold, Dagon was fallen upon his face. 5.3

 

So they put Dagon back in his place, but the next morning he had fallen down again, and this time his head and hands had fallen off, so he was no more than a stump.

 

When they arose early on the morrow morning, behold, Dagon was fallen upon his face to the ground before the ark of the LORD; and the head of Dagon and both the palms of his hands were cut off upon the threshold; only the stump of Dagon was left to him. 5.4

 

Then God started to get nasty. He destroyed the people of Asdod and smote those that survived with hemorrhoids.

 

But the hand of the LORD was heavy upon them of Ashdod, and he destroyed them, and smote them with emerods (hemorrhoids). 5.6

 

So the people of Ashdod decided to send the ark to another Philistine city: Gath.

 

What shall we do with the ark of the God of Israel? And they answered, Let the ark of the God of Israel be carried about unto Gath. And they carried the ark of the God of Israel about thither. 5.8

 

And then God smote the people of Gath, the small and the great, with hemorrhoids in their secret parts.

 

The hand of the LORD was against the city with a very great destruction: and he smote the men of the city, both small and great, and they had emerods in their secret parts. 5.9

 

After that, what do you think the Gathites decided to do with God's ark? They sent it to Ekron.

 

Therefore they sent the ark of God to Ekron. 5.10

 

When the ark arrived at Ekron, God did the usual thing: he killed most of the people and gave the rest hemorrhoids.

 

There was a deadly destruction throughout all the city; the hand of God was very heavy there. And the men that died not were smitten with the emerods: and the cry of the city went up to heaven. 5.11-12

 

As Thomas Jefferson said on an entirely different subject: Ridicule is the only weapon that can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them.

So your trying to call us believers stupid, typical of your sort, just come out an say it yellow bollox.

 

I really am pissing myself laughing here, cause you think your so smart, when really your just putting up bible passages, good for you sandy anymore.

 

You must be right you are related to the animal kingdom, with your limited intelligence, it wouldn't surprise me if your into beastiality, am I right. Lol

 

For your info they built a city in nod, they lived a long time before the flood, an fair play to God for smiting them, they kidnapped Samson an sacrificed him to dagon...Baal...Satan....they stole the ark....an got their deserts...oh did I mention they worshipped Satan, an sacrificed children, molested them, sodomy etc etc....but you just keep feeling sorry for the kiddy fiddlers sandymere.

[Quarter bull 240]

 

 

 

Genesis 4:14-17 KJV

 

Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.

 

And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

 

And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

 

And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

 

So we all know the creation fable in the Bible. Adam is made by God from dirt. Then God takes one on Adams ribs and makes Eve. Then the talking snake gets them tossed out of Eden for telling them that knowledge is a good thing and they agree. They have a a couple of kids (maybe more, its a little open ended) named Cain and Able. Cain gets crap from God because his sacrifice wasnt blood like Ables, so he gets pissed and kills Able.because.well just because. God then sends him away and he goes to live with people in the Land of Nod where he has a wife and a kid named Enoch.

 

The only problem here is where the %$#% did this people in the Land of Nod come from? There wasnt anyone else around. Thats the story. But out of nowhere this whole big place comes up where a brother murder can go and find chicks to shack up with.

 

Heck there was enough people here they needed a whole city. Its a pretty big jump no matter how you cut it.

 

The other thing about this that is pretty silly is that God marked Cain so that anyone who found him should kill him. Well, that apparently didnt work too well. Hes out having kids and building cities and just having a fine time and no one lifts a finger to stop him. Youd think that if an all-powerful being wanted you dead, youd damn well be dead.

So you've decided to come out of the cracks again sandy, I don't know why I'm replying to you, I asked you a few questions last time after your rant, an you were to yellow to answer.

 

You shouldn't talk about stuff you don't know anything about,....it says lest any man should kill him, God marked him so no one would touch him, doh

 

An it says Cain knew his wife, that means had sex silly bollox, he was married an all before going to nod, an they were people there his relatives, his brothers sisters niece nephews cousins, his own blood yes but people none the less, if you read the rest of the book you'd know, your just a wee yellow bollox who's on to stir shit instead of an adult bita craic, you couldn't even answer my last questions, cause you don't even understand your own, away with ya an do your homework or play with toys lol

A whole city of people in one generation LOL,lordy i expect an attack of Hemorrhoids any time now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

God smote them with hemorrhoids in their secret parts

 

The Philistines took the ark of God ... unto Ashdod ... into the house of Dagon, and set it by Dagon. 1 Samuel 5.1-2

 

The next morning Dagon had fallen on his face.

 

When they of Ashdod arose early on the morrow, behold, Dagon was fallen upon his face. 5.3

 

So they put Dagon back in his place, but the next morning he had fallen down again, and this time his head and hands had fallen off, so he was no more than a stump.

 

When they arose early on the morrow morning, behold, Dagon was fallen upon his face to the ground before the ark of the LORD; and the head of Dagon and both the palms of his hands were cut off upon the threshold; only the stump of Dagon was left to him. 5.4

 

Then God started to get nasty. He destroyed the people of Asdod and smote those that survived with hemorrhoids.

 

But the hand of the LORD was heavy upon them of Ashdod, and he destroyed them, and smote them with emerods (hemorrhoids). 5.6

 

So the people of Ashdod decided to send the ark to another Philistine city: Gath.

 

What shall we do with the ark of the God of Israel? And they answered, Let the ark of the God of Israel be carried about unto Gath. And they carried the ark of the God of Israel about thither. 5.8

 

And then God smote the people of Gath, the small and the great, with hemorrhoids in their secret parts.

 

The hand of the LORD was against the city with a very great destruction: and he smote the men of the city, both small and great, and they had emerods in their secret parts. 5.9

 

After that, what do you think the Gathites decided to do with God's ark? They sent it to Ekron.

 

Therefore they sent the ark of God to Ekron. 5.10

 

When the ark arrived at Ekron, God did the usual thing: he killed most of the people and gave the rest hemorrhoids.

 

There was a deadly destruction throughout all the city; the hand of God was very heavy there. And the men that died not were smitten with the emerods: and the cry of the city went up to heaven. 5.11-12

 

As Thomas Jefferson said on an entirely different subject: Ridicule is the only weapon that can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them.

So your trying to call us believers stupid, typical of your sort, just come out an say it yellow bollox.

 

I really am pissing myself laughing here, cause you think your so smart, when really your just putting up bible passages, good for you sandy anymore.

 

You must be right you are related to the animal kingdom, with your limited intelligence, it wouldn't surprise me if your into beastiality, am I right. Lol

 

For your info they built a city in nod, they lived a long time before the flood, an fair play to God for smiting them, they kidnapped Samson an tryed to sacrificed him to dagon...Baal...Satan....they stole the ark....an got their deserts...oh did I mention they worshipped Satan, an sacrificed children, molested them, sodomy etc etc....but you just keep feeling sorry for the kiddy fiddlers sandymere.

Edited March 25, 2015 by Quarter bull

[shepp 2,285]

 

The law lets you calculate what happens. In science, the theory explains why. The theory of relativity explains why things fall to the ground.

Gravity makes things fall to the ground. Relativity is talking about the relationship between speed, time, and mass.

 

Anyway, onto the topic in conversation…This debate will go on for a very long time. Those that believe, I am with you 100%. However, for those that do not believe, before casting judgement on the believers, ask fair questions and truly think about the response.

 

The worst that's going to happen is you think the Christian is full of bollocks, and your life has not changed. So listening to them does you no harm. However, if you give time to think that there are a lot of scientists that believe, a lot of very intelligent people from astronomers to archeologists then there must be some credence to their views. If some of the brightest minds are saying they believe, then clearly not all Christians are idiots or uneducated, or brainwashed.

 

If you're going to argue against a Christian, that's brilliant (no joke, it forces the Christian to do more research and learn more themselves. I've learned from this thread and am grateful for it), but please argue a from a corner with a researched perspective or sound logical reasoning.

 

I think you'll all agree that this 'chat' has been eventful. Any genuine questions answered to the best of the ability of any Christians on here.

 

I am stepping out of this as I want to cook up some mouflon burgers. But if it continues, I look forward to reading what's going on.

 

Great debate, really enjoyed it so far….yes, this is probably why I have my title.

 

 

The list of Steves is far more prestigious than any list of living scientists the creationists have ever produced. It includes Nobel Prize winners, members of the National Academy of Sciences, and influential authors such as Stephen Hawking. It is telling that creationist lists tend to be lean on practicing research biologists. In contrast, about two-thirds of the scientists on NCSE's list are biologists, who are the most qualified to evaluate whether the evidence favors evolution. Another point is that the NCSE's list includes the information on where the Steves got their degrees and their current position. By not doing so, the creationist lists do not make it obvious how many of the people listed are not practicing scientists.

 

http://ncse.com/taking-action/project-steve

Edited March 25, 2015 by shepp

[Truther 1,579]

 

"Thallus (52AD)

Thallus is perhaps the earliest secular writer to mention Jesus and he is so ancient his writings dont even exist anymore. But Julius Africanus, writing around 221AD does quote Thallus who previously tried to explain away the darkness occurring at Jesus crucifixion:"

 

So Thallus is probably the earliest non christian to mention jesus, so ancient his writings don't even exist, then Africanus quotes him 170 years later, and you think that holds water?

None of the authors lived during the time of jesus from what i can see, some missing him by just a few decades fair enough, but every single one relying on other peoples accounts, funny that somebody as remarkable as jesus was never written about by a contemporary non christian? And its not always what's put in the stories mate, the stuff that's left out is telling, last count i think its over 30 "jesus" characters living and preaching around the same area/time as you're jesus, not to mention nearly every culture on Earth having a jesus character? Krishna is probably the best known, but the N. American natives had a jesus character, the Chinese jesus fell to Earth from the skies and became the first emporer Its a well used formula QB, the idea is to separate these individuals from mortal men, to make them something special, and above ordinary people, even our jokers now think they can trace their bloodlines back to jesus, and so god, its a complete rubbish mate. One of these people had the whole bible translated, and as you said, "it was checked and checked again and again" i bet it was mate, so it gave the exact impression he wanted it to, not to mention it was done 1600 years after the event, and with documents dating no earlier than 400 years before that? With a whole lot left out, that is documented Maybe in 400 years time people will think Harry Potter is true?

So you will believe your Roman record but the ones I put ate no good, truther you are a hypocrite, the one I put up were non Christian people, who disliked Jesus, you will just deny all your clutching at straws, you say it was the elite who wrote the bible haha your in their pocket my friend, without a doubt, you haven't even got nothing to go on, you haven't a whistle to say about the bible, get back to me when you have any decent claims

 

 

There's a difference between Roman records dating from the period when jesus supposedly existed (but to be more accurate it should be the lack of records) and accounts based on non existent writings quoted nearly 200 years later, if you give evidence in court and the judge asks "how do you know that" and you say "John my neighbour told me it was true" its called "hearsay" even if this John wrote it down for you to read its still hearsay, quite funny how they use a bible to swear on in court and its full of hearsay, but we're supposed to believe its factual, factual enough to swear an oath on

 

Human nature QB........If you tell a tale at one end of a village by the time it gets to the other side of the village by word of mouth its altered completely, this might take a day or two, and human nature being what it is the story never gets dumbed down, its always spiced up, for eg...if a dozen fishermen had no luck and were going hungry, then a stranger turned up and caught a dozen fish and gave them one each, the dozen hungry fishermen would be really grateful and sing the praises of the stranger, a couple of weeks after the event its likely the dozen fish would have turned into a hundred fish, in a couple of hundred years it could turn into 5,000 fishermen and he fed them all. Its how humans are mate. And you expect people to believe stories with non existent records written hundreds of years after the events are true?

 

The bibles not a strong point of mine at all QB, you probably realise that, but you don't have to understand the bible to understand human nature mate, and common sense tells me its highly unlikely any of it is true, or not in the form its in now. Wouldn't matter what i said you wouldn't give an inch, so its a bit pointless.

[Quarter bull 240]

Yeah well you stick to your human nature I would call that telling porkies, I dontbcare if you or anybody else believes, I'm just here to defend the lord an stand up against lies, if you don't believe thats your perogitive....

 

So now your onto the judicial system, the reason they swear an oath is cause God authority is absolute,,,,whether you like it or not,,, an that's that. .....what do you want them to swear on an evolution book,,, your denying God truther but yet you say the elite this elite that,, an you believe their theory's without evidence,,, do you not.....we've already established your theory is scientifically impossible...an your crying on about facts of the bible,,, when really you haven't a clue how you got here no matter what shepp says no scientist has proven nothing fact so you keep your hypocrisy truther

[paulus 26]

im sure some scientist once said "what goes up must come down"

[Truther 1,579]

Yeah well you stick to your human nature I would call that telling porkies, I dontbcare if you or anybody else believes, I'm just here to defend the lord an stand up against lies, if you don't believe thats your perogitive....

 

So now your onto the judicial system, the reason they swear an oath is cause God authority is absolute,,,,whether you like it or not,,, an that's that. .....what do you want them to swear on an evolution book,,, your denying God truther but yet you say the elite this elite that,, an you believe their theory's without evidence,,, do you not.....we've already established your theory is scientifically impossible...an your crying on about facts of the bible,,, when really you haven't a clue how you got here no matter what shepp says no scientist has proven nothing fact so you keep your hypocrisy truther

 

Well i think you're the one being hypercritical QB to be honest.......you say i believe in evolution and its unproven, yet you believe in god with not one shred of evidence, just a collection of stories in a book that men wrote, half of these stories borrowed from cultures that pre date the book by hundreds if not thousands of years, that's hypercritical mate.

 

"gods authority is absolute" that's an opinion QB, no facts involved there at all mate. The elite pushing evolution the elite push religion mate, have done since the word go, best control tool ever invented. The elite actually discourage new information coming out if anything imo, so you're the one believing the elitist propaganda, daft enough to work for them for free into the bargain.

 

I don't remember establishing any scientific theory is "impossible" mate? The evolution of species is proven, we know how life works on a micro biological level, and we know all the ingredients were present, just a matter of time before its proven, if its not being held back by the elite already that is? Imagine what would happen if they announced they'd cracked it, and could prove it, plenty of reason to hold the truth back.

 

Im not "crying on about facts in the bible" QB, simple reason being its not "facts" its hearsay.

[Quarter bull 240]

Truther were going round in circles again, its getting stupid again, I have already said that my view can't be proven hundred percent, on the other hand your stating yours as fact, an it'll be proven soon, so its not fact its a belief faith religion, whether you like it or not, that's my point.

 

 

I asked Paul as this an I'll ask you, how does a belief in God control me an the rest of the believers, you an him an others have dodged the question so could you answer for me.

 

The evolutionof species has been proven, where show me, one thing that has been proven to evolve...now were talking macro eevolution here how man was established, changing from different animals to man, which I don't believe.

 

An your saying the boys are holding back info on evolution,,,,why in your opinion...there's no secret to its theory, an what will happen if they do...this will be good.

[Quarter bull 240]

The media an TV an the rest of the porkers are already putting it out as fact, so what's the big drama, there trying to convince us at every opportunity are they not, I think so,, what would happen if they had concrete proof of evolution, what would happen,,, but your confusing me know did you not say in the same paragraph evolution has been proven, I look forward to your reply lad.