hutch6 550 Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 Lol you guys are funny Just wait until the big punchline comes along QB, now that'll be funny. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 I've seen some terrible things, a baby suffering beyond the ken of most of you, as we read this others suffer horribly. So if there was a god and they sat and watched this then anyone who supports them is so much worse than any Nazi that stood by Hitler without questioning his actions. If i decided to drop a new born baby off of a 20 storey tower block guess what..........God couldnt stop me !...........So does that mean people shouldnt " support " him. given hes god then why would you, if you buy an electric drill and it don't drill then would you recommend it and hold it in esteem? oh i get it now......if God doesnt benefit me i shouldnt " support " him.............thats like saying if that drill i bought into didnt work i,ll just pretend drills dont exist ! put it another way, why would he sit back over centuries and watch innocents slaughtered in his name? simplistically if its good v evil then all good does is watch whilst evil rampages in the name of good. makes no sense Probably about as much sense as thinking something that doesnt even exist can sit back and watch at all !....Is it even possible to make judgement of something that doesnt exist ....maybe i,ll ask him for world peace tonight and if he doesnt go for it i,ll elbow him and become an atheist. ask him for anything, even a box of matches and i will bet he don't give it to you but some man might in his name Blame the player not the game ...................Ive been beaten senseless in the name of following football but i still love the game.....and certainly dont deny its existence a football club is a physical thing you can see it, touch it, smell it but again without being told by a man that you can, then you can not say that about a God Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quarter bull 240 Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 OK hutch give me the punchline mate lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,975 Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 Because more people choose to do evil than good, as I said to Chris last nyt, the universe has laws which can't be interrupted, now miracles are different they happen but they don't interfere with the laws, its simple what's the sense in God interfering with free will, no point giving us free will to then interfere, is there, God has already sent his son to die four our crimes so yours can be thrown out a court, when judgement comes, the people suffering is mans abuse of free will, but the suffering will be with the lord, bible very clear on that. Surely the supreme being can circumvent the laws of the universe? God created free will. God will not interfere with free will. God is all knowing and is perfect. God knows the actions of everything to, and from, infinity. Therefore God knows what each and everyone of us has done, and will do. Why would the perfect create such imperfection? If God knows this then is he willing to prevent evil? Or is he unable? Is he able but not willing? Both? Neither? Either way it's pretty f****d up seeing kids with bone cancer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quarter bull 240 Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 Sorry for my mistake, that was supposed to be....how can you trust your rationale an decisions if your brain is just a sludge of chemicals that got together by RANDOM CHANCE with nobody at the steering wheel, I have to laugh because the above hypothesis was proven scientifically impossible a hundred years ago, but anyway........ Yes hutchy I think your confused...you said your an atheist...that means you do NOT believe in a god or anything super natural, but above you are clearly in anger towards God, with your false ranting claims an scoffing...so I think you know Gods there you just don't want to admit it...that's what I'm getting from your posts.. Anbhutch if you claim evolution, which you have, that means your related to everything, monkeys fish dogs birds bananas apples oranges the list is endless, an your calling out God for standing bye as people suffer.....well what the fudge ate you doing about it nothing, you hunt so therefore your murdering your relatives every time you hunt, your murdering your relatives every time you squish a fly, whack a bee etc etc the list is endless an your saying Gods cruel, you have the cheek, am I not correct hutch,,,,,your the murderer from your view so I would reconsider your statement.... But hey I know your craicvyou don't give a toot who dies, sure the weak have to die so the strong can evolve an get higher bigger stronger blah blah That's what evolution all about death....listen to me entertaining the thought an it was proved scientifically impossible years ago,, just another way of getting rid of God,,,but not for long lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quarter bull 240 Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 Because more people choose to do evil than good, as I said to Chris last nyt, the universe has laws which can't be interrupted, now miracles are different they happen but they don't interfere with the laws, its simple what's the sense in God interfering with free will, no point giving us free will to then interfere, is there, God has already sent his son to die four our crimes so yours can be thrown out a court, when judgement comes, the people suffering is mans abuse of free will, but the suffering will be with the lord, bible very clear on that. Surely the supreme being can circumvent the laws of the universe? God created free will. God will not interfere with free will. God is all knowing and is perfect. God knows the actions of everything to, and from, infinity. Therefore God knows what each and everyone of us has done, and will do. Why would the perfect create such imperfection? If God knows this then is he willing to prevent evil? Or is he unable? Is he able but not willing? Both? Neither? Either way it's pretty f****d up seeing kids with bone cancer. Hello Chris mate, yeah mate its tragic but as I said all children will go straight to be with the lord waiting on the rest of us. I know all about cancer my mum survived it, but as we speak she lying in hospital with cyrohhis of the liver, with being fed tablet after tablet for the last 30 years or so, she's been in a home for the last ten years, crippled with broken hips an legs which won't knit together cause of brittle bone disease, coleiac crohns the list is endless, its hard watching her deteriote slowly but she don't blame God an neither do ibcause its not his fault, its the world were in, full of toxins an poisons that slowly but surely give you cancer an all sorts of dicease, I won't even go into the scum at the top that controls the lot, but look at the decision makers, then look behind them there the c**ts to blame, an there not hiding Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,975 Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 Hello Chris mate, yeah mate its tragic but as I said all children will go straight to be with the lord waiting on the rest of us. I know all about cancer my mum survived it, but as we speak she lying in hospital with cyrohhis of the liver, with being fed tablet after tablet for the last 30 years or so, she's been in a home for the last ten years, crippled with broken hips an legs which won't knit together cause of brittle bone disease, coleiac crohns the list is endless, its hard watching her deteriote slowly but she don't blame God an neither do ibcause its not his fault, its the world were in, full of toxins an poisons that slowly but surely give you cancer an all sorts of dicease, I won't even go into the scum at the top that controls the lot, but look at the decision makers, then look behind them there the c**ts to blame, an there not hiding Sorry to hear about your Mam, QB. I wish her all the very best, and hope she's as happy and as comfortable as she can be. I've also lost family members to cancer, so I know the torment it inflicts on the suffering and their friends and family. Like you I don't blame god. I don't blame anyone in particular, I think it's just a random chain of events from the beginning through to the end. I'm here to observe, to learn, to love, and to grow, before the universe reclaims me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RemyBolt 420 Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 (edited) Wow, this has gone pretty intense in a short period of time. To answer the original post, the idea of creation requires time. For something to have been created it must have a beginning and an end. Namely…time. However, if something exists outside of time, then it would not need to fit into the functions and conventions of time. Namely, it can be everywhere at once, know everything, and never have a beginning and an end. Think 3D object living in a 2D world, the 3D object has instances that are far beyond the 2D, right? Same with God. To exist within our understanding, mentally we put the same constraints on God as we have on ourselves. So we were born, we exist in time…so must God. But that's not right. If God exists beyond time, then he would not need a creator, as he created time itself. Mind-boggling, right? 4D vs 3D! As for the "God created death and evil and imperfection" argument, this is an odd one. The world as God originally created it was perfect. Death was not a part of the Garden of Eden. When man sinned, that's when he became mortal and started to suffer. That's when disease was created. It was a corruption of what God put in place for us. We were meant to exist in perfection, but ruined it for ourselves…darn Adam + Eve. Screwed us all. But what about kids dying and the alike? What about natural disasters killing millions and the alike? The Bible says that man has dominion over all things on this earth. Within that it includes disease, sickness, health, famine, wars, and the alike. The issue is that we're too busy watching TV and stuff like that, to actually work together as one species to solve the issues we're facing. Okay, it's not just TV, it's loads of different things, e.g. wars, music, arguments, porn, etc. Could we stop world hunger, disease, and such, as a species, if we worked together? YES! Will we? NO. So why do babies get diseases and die early? Why do the innocent suffer? Firstly, we're looking at it as if this earth is the be all and end all. If there is a heaven, we'll be there for longer than on this earth, so we should really start changing our perspectives on people dying as being 'The End'. Oh, and as people we could have prevented these killer diseases, and still can, if we would only work together as one unified species. Secondly, the idea of things being 'fair' or 'just' are again wrong perspectives. They are views that this world is the be all and end all. If there is a heaven, then is it not more important that judgement be for an eternity than for 4 score and 10? Oh and my dad died 2 weeks before I got married. Cancer had spread and gotten into his brain. Am I saddened by his passing? Yes. Do I blame God? If it was dad's time to go and be with God, then I'd have to be really selfish to want to keep him here on an imperfect earth in pain, just because I wanted to spend more time with him. When he passed, I smiled that he was with God, no longer suffering, no longer in pain, but instead with Jesus in paradise. I am pleased that he is where he is. I still miss him most days, but he's in a better place than I am. He passed away coming unto 3 years ago. Last but not least, "Religion has killed more people than both world wars added together." Well that's true…kind of. The killing in the name of God, and following the teachings of God are very different things. In fact, if you follow the teachings, you wouldn't be killing. If you're killing, then you're not following the teachings. So you can't really call yourself a Christian if you're killing people and saying "It's for Jesus". I'm not sure if any of those 'holy wars' were actually following the word of their perspective religion, to the letter…or even close to it. Thou Shalt Not Kill, seems to have been omitted from the preaching of those people, but is in pretty much every religion on earth. This means that it isn't the religion causing wars. It's the people falsely/wrongly/misguidedly 'following' the religion. All religions on the planet preach peace and love above other things…apart from maybe Viking religions. The murders/death's in the name of God should never have happened, and those people committing those sins will be held to judgement for their actions. Edited March 24, 2015 by RemyBolt Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quarter bull 240 Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 Sorry for your loss Remy, an I must say very well put mate really mate, thanks for that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quarter bull 240 Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 Hello Chris mate, yeah mate its tragic but as I said all children will go straight to be with the lord waiting on the rest of us. I know all about cancer my mum survived it, but as we speak she lying in hospital with cyrohhis of the liver, with being fed tablet after tablet for the last 30 years or so, she's been in a home for the last ten years, crippled with broken hips an legs which won't knit together cause of brittle bone disease, coleiac crohns the list is endless, its hard watching her deteriote slowly but she don't blame God an neither do ibcause its not his fault, its the world were in, full of toxins an poisons that slowly but surely give you cancer an all sorts of dicease, I won't even go into the scum at the top that controls the lot, but look at the decision makers, then look behind them there the c**ts to blame, an there not hiding Sorry to hear about your Mam, QB. I wish her all the very best, and hope she's as happy and as comfortable as she can be. I've also lost family members to cancer, so I know the torment it inflicts on the suffering and their friends and family. Like you I don't blame god. I don't blame anyone in particular, I think it's just a random chain of events from the beginning through to the end. I'm here to observe, to learn, to love, and to grow, before the universe reclaims me. Hello Chris thanks mate, an nice words mate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Truther 1,579 Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 You can't be that condescending Paula's, you have the cheek, who you killing in the name of when your hunting you too hutch, by your view your killing your relatives everyday for your fun, your cousin the rabbit , what about your long lost uncle monkey there being killed everyday, what do you care about your relative, you don't your just hypocrites, I just slaughtered your relative there, banana sandwich tasty, what are you going to do. Are Paula's an hutch vegaterians, if not why, you can't be that hypocritical. i never said we were blood brothers but its a fact all life is made from the same basic elements and we are a genetic copy of those who created us, your body works on chemical interactions and electrical pulses another fact. explain what "free will" is when your doing exactly what your told to do by a book thats thousands of years old The bibles not thousands of years old Paulus, not the version most on here are quoting, a fair bit of it is based on the talmud, which is about 3/3.5 thousand years old supposedly? The king james bible is a fairy story really, mostly based on the Geneva bible and Greek manuscripts, some gems of wisdom don't even have a Greek manuscript to back them up, and as far as i know none of the Greek manuscripts are earlier than the 12th century? How the f**k could primitive people come up with the complicated philosophy that some on here like to quote , not very likely is it? its Greek philosophy twisted by the 47 scribes for a member of the elite with an agenda. Plenty left out and some things totally fabricated to suit that agenda. total rubbish imo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quarter bull 240 Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 Have to disagree with you there truther, I've thoroughly researched the bible an its origins, an I would say your wrong. You think the elitevis behind the bible, no mate there trying there best to discredit it in every way possible, if they were behind it do you not think they'd be pushing it, they hate it with a passion,; Could you answer me a question, what would the elite gain from giving us the bible? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 Have to disagree with you there truther, I've thoroughly researched the bible an its origins, an I would say your wrong. You think the elitevis behind the bible, no mate there trying there best to discredit it in every way possible, if they were behind it do you not think they'd be pushing it, they hate it with a passion,; Could you answer me a question, what would the elite gain from giving us the bible? eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerm control Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quarter bull 240 Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 Truther all the biblical christian preachers are calling out the elite an all their traps an deception, YouTube is full of this, Kent hovind is a fine example, he beleives the king James bible is Gods inerrent word, cover to cover he believes, an he has exposed the elite an their lies, an look what happened, they put him in jail for structuring ffs, your completely wrong mate Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quarter bull 240 Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 Paula's mate I don't know were your getting this control from could you explain how the bible controls us. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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