If God Made Everything, Who Made Him ?

[Quarter bull 240]

That ill do for tonight chris lol

[yorkshire 151]

Without a doubt , you know some stuff qb

[Quarter bull 240]

I take no credit yorkshire, im just posting what ive researched mate, all the work is done for me lol

[ChrisJones 7,975]

The Universe

 

Time and Space:

Most people read the very first verse in the Bible, without giving it another thought. However a closer examination of this verse reveals that the author of Genesis verbalized exactly the same sophisticated principle that scientists use thousands of years later. Science expresses the universe in five terms: time, space, matter, power and motion. So does Genesis 1.

 

"In the beginning (time) God created (power) the Heaven (space) and the Earth (matter)... And the Spirit of God moved (motion) upon the face of the waters." [Genesis 1:1,3 written some 3450 years ago].

 

Sophisticated verbalization?

 

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

 

Who is the author of Genesis? When was it written. Why are there no original copies of said manuscript? How do you know the Genesis was written 3450 years ago? How do we know it was god that created the earth?

 

The Beginning:

The word "beginning" refers specifically to the beginning of time. However, for many years scientists were convinced that the universe was infinite (without end), and that time had always existed. The COsmic Background Explorer (COBE), also referred to as Explorer 66, was a NASA space mission designed to test the Big Bang theory of the origin of the universe and apparently provided evidence that supported the idea that the universe had a beginning..

 

Note: The Big Bang theory, initially proposed in 1946 by George Gamow, a Russian-born scientist who believed that a primeval fireball, or an intense concentration of pure energy at some finite time in the past was the source of all the matter that now exists in the universe.

 

I wonder how many billions of dollars Explorer 66 cost. Yet someone only had to open the first page of a $10.00 Bible to know the universe had a beginning, before which there was

 

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. How do we know? Because it says so in the bible.

 

All of these accuracies can be explained by simple observation of nature. That is free.

 

Most thesis' contain accuracies. The Quran contains accuracies. The Avesta contains accuracies. Does this also make those manuscripts complete and accurate? Does a single, or several accuracies, conclude overall accuracy?

 

Quick google says that the cost of the Explorer missions was around $200m

 

An Initial Void:

A Time Magazine article dated Dec. 1976 said

 

Most cosmologists scientists who study the structure and evolution of the universe, agree that the biblical account of creation, in imagining an initial void, may be uncannily close to the truth. [Emphasis Added]

 

Adding

 

in 1929, when Astronomer Edwin Hubble used shifts in the spectral lines of light emanating from distant galaxies to calculate that the islands of stars are moving at tremendous speeds away from the earth−and from each other−like dots painted on the surface of an expanding balloon. To some scientists, this outward rush of the galaxies suggested an original cosmic explosion. [2]

 

Edwin Hubble showed that distant galaxies were, receding from the earth, and the further away they were, the faster they were moving, which leads to an interesting conclusion... the earth is the center of God's attention in the universe. Surprise! Surprise! However not only are the galaxies rushing outward, but the universe is also expanding.

 

See above.

 

Expanding Universe:

The prophet Isaiah who lived almost 3,000 years ago stated

 

"It is He that . . . stretches out the heavens as a curtain, and spreads them out as a tent to dwell in." [40:22]

 

Scientists are beginning to understand that the universe is expanding, or stretching out. At least seven times the Scriptures clearly tell us that God stretches out the heavens like a curtain.

 

Isaiah 40:22 "He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in.

 

A circle is not a sphere!

 

1 Chronicles 16:30: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.”

Psalm 93:1: “Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm ...”

Psalm 96:10: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable ...”

Psalm 104:5: “Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken.”

Isaiah 45:18: “...who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast...”

 

Isaiah 11:12 "He will raise a banner for the nations and gather the exiles of Israel; he will assemble the scattered people of Judah from the four quarters of the earth."

 

Revelations 7:1 "After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree."

 

Rectangular or square?

 

The Genesis scripture says the earth is covered by a vault, and that all the heavenly bodies move within this vault. This translation of Hebrew, into Latin, followed by an English translation of Latin suggests it's been adjusted to fit a narrative, meaning that biblical scholars wouldn't have written it before it was commonly known.

 

Saint Jerome (best know for translating the bible, from Hebrew into Latin) argues that the 200 year discrepency in the words of Isaiah are based on historical observation rather than prophesy. He died in 420CE

 

Space is Empty:

In ancient times it was variously believed that the earth sat on a large animal or a giant, or even that a mythical Atlas supported the pillars that held heaven and earth apart, and/or carried the earth around on his shoulders (Where he stood while doing so presents an interesting conundrum). However, in what is probably the oldest book of the Bible, Job, living in an ancient culture that knew nothing about space or planets, asserted that God hung the earth on nothing (1500 B.C.) or, in other words, the earth free floats in space.

 

"He stretches out the north over empty space; he hangs the earth on nothing [Job 26:7]

 

A fascinating tidbit from scientific history makes the first part of this verse even more telling. Until very recently scientists believed space consisted of a hypothetical substance called Ether. Note the following from Eric Weisstein's World of Science [All Emphasis Added]

 

Ether, or luminiferous Ether, was the hypothetical substance through which electromagnetic waves travel. It was proposed by the greek philosopher Aristotle and used by several optical theories as a way to allow propagation of light, which was believed to be impossible in "empty" space.

 

It was supposed that the ether filled the whole universe and was a stationary frame of reference, which was rigid to electromagnetic waves but completely permeable to matter. Hooke endorsed the idea of the existence of the ether in his work Micrographia (1665), and other several philosophers of the 17th century, including Huygens, did the same. At the time of Maxwell's mathematical studies of electromagnetism (in the 1860s), ether was still assumed to be the propagation medium and was imbued with physics properties such as permeability and permittivity.

 

In 1887, a crucial experiment was performed by Michelson and Edward Morley in an attempt to detect the existence of the ether. The experiment, named the Michelson-Morley experiment in honor of its authors, shocked the scientific community by yielding results which implied the non-existence of ether. This result was later on used by Einstein to refute the existence of the ether and allowed him to develop special relativity without this artificial (and non-existent) constraint. [3]

 

Which bring us to the second half of Job 26:7

 

 

That Hole In The North

Another interesting tidbit that illuminates the Divine origin of Scripture is the recent discovery of a huge hole in space in the direction of the northern hemisphere

 

The universe has a huge hole in it that dwarfs anything else of its kind. The discovery caught astronomers by surprise. The hole is nearly a billion light-years across. It is not a black hole, which is a small sphere of densely packed matter. Rather, this one is mostly devoid of stars, gas and other normal matter, and it's also strangely empty of the mysterious "dark matter" that permeates the cosmos. Other space voids have been found before, but nothing on this scale. [4]

 

This "gap" is in the Northern Hemisphere, lying in the general direction of the constellation Bootes. This "hole in space" is a 300 million light year gap in the distribution of galaxies, has taken cosmologists by surprise, not because it exists, but because it is so big.

 

Indeed, He stretches out the north over the empty place.

 

Job 37:18 "Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?"

Job 38:4-6 “4 Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell me if you have such insight. 5 Who determined its dimensions? Certainly, you know! Who stretched a measuring line over it? 6 On what were its footings sunk? Who laid its cornerstone"

 

Flat earth?

 

Job 39:9-10 "9 Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib? 10Canst thou bind the unicorn with his band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee?

 

Seriously?! Unicorns?

 

You believe the bible is the word of god, and that it is infallible, and that you've stated that the KJV is copied from original manuscripts? I can only conclude that it's simply bronze age mythology, written entirely by anonymous authors. I agree it contains some accuracies, but these accuracies can be explained by simple observation of nature.

 

It was written at a time when people believed the earth was flat, and the sun revolved around the earth. For the divine word of god it's utterly ambiguous and even modern christian scholars disagree on it's terminology. It has be written, re-written. Translated, redacted, adjusted, enhanced, twisted, re-translated, and re-written again to serve the needs of man.

 

If it truly was god's verbatim, then there wouldn't be countless slightly different versions in existance.

 

As I've said previously your faith is strong, and I applaud that. Mine is equally as strong but based on different reasoning. The circular argument is endless and although extremely fun, utterly fruitless in it's conclusion!

 

Peace, QB. Well being to you and yours!

 

 

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Just remember it translated into old english, so accuracies is how your going to describe these sciences in the bible, thousands of years before they were discovered by scientists recentley,,,oh yes chris when im done, il put up links to studys an thesis papers, by creation scie.tists

 

Oh an i really think your helping powers that be, indoctrinate the young people, with your historical science, which cannot be observed, more to come mate, atvb

[neems 2,406]

Some other explanations for you QB

Buddhism:

 

 

 

 

European Paganism:

 

 

 

 

I'd bet even just carrying on with Youtube research,you'll find metaphysical truths in every religion you look into,why is your's the 'right' one?

 

Other than the fact is has 'borrowed' a lot from other religions how is it different?

Or is that a plus point?

[Quarter bull 240]

Thank you neems for info mate, i have already researched other religons for many years, an they dont hold water with me, im not goin to sit here an put down others religon, up to them what they want to beleive,,, ive already went down every rabbit hole, kicked every dog on way down,, hundreds of hours of research mate, you beleive what you want just defending my faith....

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All you need to know about buddgism hinduism

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[shepp 2,285]

Thank you neems for info mate, i have already researched other religons for many years, an they dont hold water with me, im not goin to sit here an put down others religon, up to them what they want to beleive,,, ive already went down every rabbit hole, kicked every dog on way down,, hundreds of hours of research mate, you beleive what you want just defending my faith....

Hundreds of hours objectively sifting out any information you don't want to hear lol!

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Thank you neems for info mate, i have already researched other religons for many years, an they dont hold water with me, im not goin to sit here an put down others religon, up to them what they want to beleive,,, ive already went down every rabbit hole, kicked every dog on way down,, hundreds of hours of research mate, you beleive what you want just defending my faith....

Hundreds of hours objectively sifting out any information you don't want to hear lol!

 

Alas Shep the Age of Enlightenment, sometimes known as the Age of Reason, started in the 17th century but has not reached everybody yet. So many still use science much as a drunk uses a lamppost, for support rather than illumination!

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Gravitational Properties of Constellations:

God asked Job

 

Can you bind the cluster of the Pleiades, Or loose the belt of Orion? (Job 38:31).

 

In the last century astrophysicists have discovered that the stars of Pleiades move in unison with each other, and are thus gravitationally bound. They have also discovered that the stars of Orion are free agents that are not gravitationally bound! Interestingly, the three stars that comprise Orion's belt appear to bie closer together than the outer stars in the constellation, but are actually farther apart! (they appear closer together because of the 2-D plane we see them in). [7a] All Emphasis Added

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First and Second Laws of Thermodynamics:

The 1st Law of Thermodynamics states that matter can be neither created nor destroyed, and that the amount of matter in the universe remains constant. If the First Law is correct, which every scientific measurement ever made has confirmed, then the universe could not have created itself, it must have been created in the past, no further creating must be going on, and no loss of creation is occurring. The Bible is the only religious book that correctly portrays the First Law by 1) its description in Genesis of a Creator who is no longer creating, and 2) a Creator who is "upholding all things by the word of his power (Hebrews 1:3)" .

 

Genesis 2:1 says (after creation):

 

"Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them."

 

The Hebrew word used in the above quote is the past definite tense of the verb "finish" indicating an action completed in the past. The creation was "finished" -- once and for all. That is what the First Law of Thermodynamics says. It states that neither matter nor energy can be either created or destroyed. There is no "creation" ongoing today. It is "finished" exactly as the Bible states.

 

The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, which states that all systems degenerate from order to disorder, was regarded by Albert Einstein to be the premier Law in science. Again the Bible is the only religious book to accurately describe this Law:

 

"For the heavens will vanish away like smoke, the earth will grow old like a garment... (Isaiah 51:6)",

 

and also a New Testament rendering:

 

"You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of Your hands. They will perish, but You remain; and they will all grow old like a garment; (Hebrews 1:10-11)" [7a]

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Talking Lightning?:

When God said in Job 38:35 (written 3,500 years ago)

 

"Can you send lightnings, that they may go and say unto you, Here we are?"

 

It certainly seemed to be a scientifically ludicrous statement -- that light can be sent, and then manifest itself in speech. But did you know that radio waves move at the speed of light? This is why you can have instantaneous wireless communication with someone on the other side of the earth. Science didn't discover this until 1864 when "the British scientist James Clerk Maxwell suggested that electricity and light waves were two forms of the same thing". [8]

 

Similarly, Job 38:19 asks, "Where is the way where light dwells?" Modern man has only recently discovered that light (electromagnetic radiation) has a "way," traveling at 186,000 miles per second.

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The Treasures of The Snow:

In the book of Job (written some 3,500 years ago), God asks Job if he had entered into

 

the treasures of the snow [38:22].

 

I can just hear the critics of yesteryear Huh! Did He mean that blanket of white stuff that covers everything? What treasures could there possibly be in that? However with the advent of the microscope, man discovered that the ice molecules of each snowflake form in a wide variety of intricate shapes. In other words, each and every single snowflake has a unique and often beautifully symmetrical pattern. Quite a "treasure."

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Very interesting this one.......

 

 

The Hydrologic Cycle:

The Mississippi River, which is just one of thousands of rivers all over this planet, dumps over six million gallons of water per second into the Gulf of Mexico. The answer to where all that water goes lies in the hydrologic cycle, or circulation of the earth's water something that was not fully accepted until the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, although the earliest literature indicating an understanding of this cycle was apparently around the third or fourth century BC.. Aristotle demonstrated only a vague understanding of this process though he recognized that rain came from clouds, he incorrectly postulated that air turned into water and vice versa.

 

Either way the Bible accurately portrays of this cycle 2500 years before it was widely accepted. Note the following passages:

 

For He draws up the drops of water, they distill rain from the mist, which the clouds pour down, they drip upon man abundantly. [Job 36:27,28]

 

The One who builds His upper chambers in the heavens And has founded His vaulted dome over the earth, He who calls for the waters of the sea and pours them out on the face of the earth, The LORD is His name. [Amos 9:6]

 

It has only recently been learned that most clouds are formed by ocean evaporation, but again the Bible had it right centuries ago:

 

"All the rivers run into the sea, yet the sea is not full; to the place from which the rivers come, there they return again [Ecclesiastes 1:7]".

 

The complex nature of how water is supported in clouds despite being heavier than air is clearly implied when God declared to Job [Emphasis Added]

 

"Do you know how the clouds are balanced, those wondrous works of Him who is perfect in knowledge (Job 37:16). [7a]

 

Furthermore...

 

 

Measuring The Waters:

Modern science has proved that the quantity of water on Earth is just enough for our needs. If the sea became three meters deeper, the water would absorb all the carbon dioxide and nitrogen, and no creature could live any longer.

 

Isaiah 40:12 (written 2800 years ago) "Who has measured the waters in the hollow of His hand..."

 

We are told that God has measured the waters and set a proper amount of water on the Earth.