Truther 1,579 Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 Truther were going round in circles again, its getting stupid again, I have already said that my view can't be proven hundred percent, on the other hand your stating yours as fact, an it'll be proven soon, so its not fact its a belief faith religion, whether you like it or not, that's my point. I asked Paul as this an I'll ask you, how does a belief in God control me an the rest of the believers, you an him an others have dodged the question so could you answer for me. The evolutionof species has been proven, where show me, one thing that has been proven to evolve...now were talking macro eevolution here how man was established, changing from different animals to man, which I don't believe. An your saying the boys are holding back info on evolution,,,,why in your opinion...there's no secret to its theory, an what will happen if they do...this will be good. "I have already said that my view can't be proven hundred percent" There you go again mate.............the existence of god can't be proven at all, not 1% never mind "not 100%" You just can't accept it can you? Not one shred of evidence QB, if you can show me some real evidence, just one iota ill shut the f**k up mate? Can you show me where iv'e ever dodged a question mate? I haven't, you probably didn't ask me that one, iv'e not seen it anyway? Easy.......religion gives you a set of rules to follow, a set of rules are needed when enough humans try and live together, but they don't work to well, especially if they're known to be man made rules, a man (king/judge) can only kill you once, could be nasty and drawn out a bit, but only once, if you can convince people they will be tortured forever and damned they're more likely to obey the rules, same as swearing on the bible, believers would be bound by that, or should be. Back in the day when everybody or most people believed, any flouting of the commandments would make you an outcast, even today in certain places people can't be openly atheist, or they're outcasts, see how religion controls people now? catholics can't use contraception for eg, supposedly on the grounds of life being sacred, but we all know more catholics means more power to the catholic church, never mind the spread of aids, and babies born to die of starvation in third world shitholes, keep the numbers coming......more control. Animal species evolve mate, fact, plant species evolve, they alter over long periods of time to suit the conditions, if they don't they die out usually. You say species don't turn into something else lol, no a banana don't become an African elephant granted, but unrelated things can change into something new, cross breeding/cross pollination, i thought your god got everything "right the first time" surely he wouldn't let anyone/thing change this 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shepp 2,285 Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) Yes of course species can change and evolve, we have been helping animals and plants to evolve to suit our needs for thousands of years. Our livestock are vary different to there ancestors, the grains and vegetables we grow are in some cases hardly recognisable to there wild ancestors. One thing I am looking forward to, as most people carry phones with cameras, it will be interesting to watch a real life miracle on film. Edited March 26, 2015 by shepp Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quarter bull 240 Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 Took you all day to think that up great...you didn't give me no examplesbof evolution just talked around it, usual craic.... A set of rules to live by an be dammed Catholics an contraception,,,,do you know any Catholics that are afraid to be dammed, cause all my mates are catholic an they don't give a shit never gave it a second thought...I've used cover alls loads of time....your not convincing me here.... So did the boyos make up Buddhism hinduisnbetc at was it just Christianity...truther do you know silly you sound.... You didn't answer the question about what would happen if it came out evolution was true, as you say there holding it back for some reason lol I get it now you believe that bollox that were going to evolve to a higher state of consciousness, we really have light body's we just have to connect with it an boom were away to the stars.....we've reached our physical limit of evolution.. So now it our conscience...is that what the elite are hiding...I called you out on this at the very first God thread then you backtracked..is that it ... So were controlled by rules of religion..should that be..thou shalt not murder..or thou shalt not steal...or thou shalt not commit adultery..thou shalt not covet thy neighbour or wife...thou shall not bear false witness....there's only 5 more commandments that Christians abide by....them top five our in our law system...so you don't want to abide by any of them..mate seriously wind your neck in.you want to be lawless Christians live by the ten commandments an half our our written laws to keep the peace....there's only five others for us an mostly spiritual ones...seriously lad, your completely wrong about control. So let's hear it,, one example of evolution as you said its already happened, an what would happen if evolution got out? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 on a microscopic level viruses evolve all the time, how else would some become immune to the drugs that at one point, killed them Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quarter bull 240 Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 Yes of course species can change and evolve, we have been helping animals and plants to evolve to suit our needs for thousands of years. Our livestock are vary different to there ancestors, the grains and vegetables we grow are in some cases hardly recognisable to there wild ancestors. One thing I am looking forward to, as most people carry phones with cameras, it will be interesting to watch a real life miracle on film. Shepp give me one example, just the one, this thread is annoying cause you keep putting out were stupid,,, an then I bite... When actual fact you've fudge all...if you'd stop insulting I would stop posting... Come on shepp put it to bed for us...before you do were talking Darwinian evolution,, mans arise from soup to reptile to whatever to man,, that's what I don't believe..so don't be putting up crap like different colours or bigger or shit like that, that's true but its still the same animal,,, just variation,,, so don't be trying to be sneaky an mix the two IP.. Plus you said man done it,, well that's interference that's not evolution that's man tampering..still even show me an example of that...this is really boring Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quarter bull 240 Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 on a microscopic level viruses evolve all the time, how else would some become immune to the drugs that at one point, killed them Do you know why they " evolve" Paula's,, cause they mutate an LOSE..you get that LOSE information, they lose information,, a ripozone I think its called, so the drug cannot lock onto the ripozone, cause its lost never to come back...now evolution is about getting better no losing...plus.. Now read carefully..ITS STILL A FECKING BACTERIA, same as before only it lost information... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Truther 1,579 Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 Sorry to disappoint you QB, but it just took me about 5 minutes to come up with those thoughts, im taking it easy on you tbh, if i let rip i would look a c**t, and i don't really dislike you at all mate, no need to get worked up about a simple debate. I accidentally caught the post button on the last post, it would have been longer. No i don't think we will evolve much more as a species, we will develop more advanced technology though, that's a kind of evolving don't you think? We seem to be evolving into a set of fat lazy b*****ds at the moment, that's down to technology imo. Its not a big jump from a species evolving, to all species originating in the first place, our basic ingredients are known to exist from the start, we know how the system works, probably just a matter of time? I said "probably holding it back" an opinion, you just can't seem to understand the difference between an opinion and facts? And you can't have thought it through about when they do prove evo, "it would be a good thing" lol, not for religion mate, but i can tell you what the last refuge of religion will be "well god put the basic ingredients there, so he does exist" even when the bible is proven false plenty will still want a god no doubt. I never said some rules weren't good rules, stop reading shite into my posts that isn't there mate, im not saying half the things you say i am? If you take a stupid stance, like saying im stupid for believing evo with no evidence, when you believe in god with not one shred of evidence, don't get the hump when i point that out, "do you know how silly you look" Surely i don't have to repeat what i said about evo having happened? Evolution of species is a fact as you well know. And where's your answer to "show me one iota of evidence" if you can't bring any stop saying "can't be proven 100%" you'll have to say "it isn't proven, but i think" an opinion, not fact Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hydropotesinermis 724 Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 Does it matter? You won't know until you are pushing up daisies anyway. I have written my own bible. It's very simple and is summarised below. Just be nice to everybody. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quarter bull 240 Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 You have nothing truther face it,, you dodged questions again,, about control, an examples of evolution,, I don't dislike you either but your talking bollox,, an not answered no questions OK God can't be proved at all, there you go you happy,, just don't be calling me deluded, with the other little muppets stirring hate,, my whole point is that evolution has no scientific evidence at all, an that its a belief faith,, you might no think so but its true...so your no different to anyone else, so get of your high smart arse looking down as if your smarter when really your not... So in the beginning you believe dirt In the beginning I believe God Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Truther 1,579 Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 I think me having "evolution of species" and scientists unlocking the mechanisms of life, even down to the atoms of the chemicals that life requires trumps "i don't know, i just have faith" so i wouldn't say i have "nothing" at all. I "dodged questions" on control and evo Have you read my post at all QB??? And evo does have a scientific basis, note my first paragraph on this post? No it doesn't make me happy if you say god can't be proven, but it is frustrating when you call somebody stupid for believing in evo with no evidence, then claim god is real on the same basis, no evidence, at least evolution of species is proven, small step from there to the origin of life imo. You do have to have some faith in evolution granted, but based on facts we do already know, not "i don't know, i just have faith" You think i would give evo a second glance if it had no scientific basis at all? Its the same question as "why does god exist" that non of you believers can answer, at least you can say evo of species sets a president that things can evolve after they actually appear, much more tenable than "i don't know why" don't you think? I gave you the definition of "deluded" the other night............"someone who believes in something that's not true" more or less, not an insult at all, just a description of someone who believes in the bible when im sure its not true, not much of an insult as insults go is it? I'm self educated QB, never went to school much, but read a lot, and mixed with some smart people over the years, a smart arse im not mate, rough as a bears arse in the flesh mate Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quarter bull 240 Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 You insulted me earlier so I'm just repaying the visit..I apolagise...so tell me this do you know everything that there is to know...no wait do you know half of everything that there is to know.. Answer me that? Scientists night know what were made of an how we work...but they don't know how it originated...an I don't think well know until, as somebody said till were pushing daisy's...I just think this evolution is rabbit hole that has no stopend, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Truther 1,579 Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 Well i didn't mean to insult you mate, not sure where you think i did? Sorry if it came over that way, unintentional. No i don't know a lot really, but i don't feel bad about it, even the greatest minds don't know 1% of everything do they, "everything" is big mate, very big, scientists, doctors and teachers all specialise in one subject usually, and non of them know everything about that either, its an impossible question. Scientists have theories based on science about how we originated, but it can't be proven yet, but it probably will be in the future? Do you think people 200 years ago could imagine flying in a jet, or TV, telephones, let alone space travel, and sending things to far off planets gathering info, science moves on mate, we couldn't fly a plane just over 100 years back, now its taken for granted, people jump on a plane for a holiday. Believe it or not a bloke has transferred information from one place to another already, not like a TV or a text, like the transporter on Star Trek, i don't know what "transferred info" means exactly? but its supposedly true? maybe someone else has seen it, Chinese scientist i think? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quarter bull 240 Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 Accepted mate, so we don't know one percent of everything,, OK well what if God does exists on the other 99 percent we don't know...just a thought I'd leave you with...goodnight mate Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Truther 1,579 Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 Like iv'e said before QB, there could be some "creator" not provable either way, and if evo is proven it still doesn't matter, a creator could have provided the ingredients, not that i believe that of course. We do know 100% of the bible, and any other religious book/teachings though, and non of its convincing, to me anyway, so if there is a god i don't think its any we already know about. Just an opinion. Night mate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sandymere 8,263 Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 (edited) The bible is the place to get your knowledge of genetics, this is from Genesis, with its utterly bemusing explanation of the genetic code. Basically, Laban is taking all of Jacob’s beloved striped and spotted cattle. Jacob is left with boring old, plain-coloured cattle, which he doesn’t seem to like at all. So Jacob concocts a cunning plan: he gets some sticks and begins painting stripes on them. He then plants them next to his cattle. What Jacob thinks is that if he gets his cattle to look at the striped sticks while copulating, then they will give birth to striped young. Now, we’d all expect this idiotic plan to fail and Jacob to learn a lesson about something or other, but no it actually works. The cattle give birth to striped young, and Jacob is happy. What on earth is going on here? Anyone with the most basic understanding of genetics knows that this is bunk. The odd thing is that this story seems to have no purpose and moral – it’s just there. And I can’t help wondering how many scientists with painted sticks had attempted to repeat this process before Mendel came along and said, “I’m pretty sure that’s not how it’s supposed to happen fellas, why don’t we try this instead?” now all you need to get a brindle from two pies is a few pea sticks at the mating!!!!!! a few inconsistencies Matt 1:6-7 The genealogy of Jesus runs through David's son, Solomon. Luke 3:23-31 The genealogy of Jesus runs through David's son, Nathan. Matt 1:16 Joseph's father is Jacob. Luke 3:23 Joseph's father is Heli. Matt 1:17 There are 28 generations from David to Jesus. Luke 3:23-38 There are 43 generations from David to Jesus. Edited March 27, 2015 by sandymere 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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