paulus 26 Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 I've seen some terrible things, a baby suffering beyond the ken of most of you, as we read this others suffer horribly. So if there was a god and they sat and watched this then anyone who supports them is so much worse than any Nazi that stood by Hitler without questioning his actions. If i decided to drop a new born baby off of a 20 storey tower block guess what..........God couldnt stop me !...........So does that mean people shouldnt " support " him. given hes god then why would you, if you buy an electric drill and it don't drill then would you recommend it and hold it in esteem? oh i get it now......if God doesnt benefit me i shouldnt " support " him.............thats like saying if that drill i bought into didnt work i,ll just pretend drills dont exist ! put it another way, why would he sit back over centuries and watch innocents slaughtered in his name? simplistically if its good v evil then all good does is watch whilst evil rampages in the name of good. makes no sense Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quarter bull 240 Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 Because more people choose to do evil than good, as I said to Chris last nyt, the universe has laws which can't be interrupted, now miracles are different they happen but they don't interfere with the laws, its simple what's the sense in God interfering with free will, no point giving us free will to then interfere, is there, God has already sent his son to die four our crimes so yours can be thrown out a court, when judgement comes, the people suffering is mans abuse of free will, but the suffering will be with the lord, bible very clear on that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 But they are doing it in gods name. Good and evil! Are things really as simplistic as that? You talk of free will. When every part of our life is controlled from birth to death do you really believe free will is a choice? Everyone of us is a clone of those who came before us, so even our creation is not from free will. Free will is a myth mate. Everything on this planet is linked to everything else that's why we all have the same basic elements in our genetic makeup. Everything is controlled by chemical and electrical reactions' even free will?......... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hutch6 550 Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 I had to have a chuckle to myself when Free Will is being discussed in relation to God as opposed to people being robots, do you mean like, following the word of a book? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quarter bull 240 Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 You might follow the run of the mill Paula's but I don't, free will is a choice to do whatever you want, right, so tell me this Paula's, how did we get our free will if God didn't create us with it? How can you trust your rationale an decision making if your brain is a bunch of chemicals, you can't, so your decision making can't be trusted Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dytkos 17,819 Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 I had to have a chuckle to myself when Free Will is being discussed in relation to God as opposed to people being robots, do you mean like, following the word of a book? Whats a film about sea creatures got to do with anything? Cheers, D. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quarter bull 240 Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 You can't be that condescending Paula's, you have the cheek, who you killing in the name of when your hunting you too hutch, by your view your killing your relatives everyday for your fun, your cousin the rabbit , what about your long lost uncle monkey there being killed everyday, what do you care about your relative, you don't your just hypocrites, I just slaughtered your relative there, banana sandwich tasty, what are you going to do. Are Paula's an hutch vegaterians, if not why, you can't be that hypocritical. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quarter bull 240 Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 You can't be that condescending Paula's, you have the cheek, who you killing in the name of when your hunting you too hutch, by your view your killing your relatives everyday for your fun, your cousin the rabbit , what about your long lost uncle monkey there being killed everyday, what do you care about your relative, you don't your just hypocrites, I just slaughtered your relative there, banana sandwich tasty, what are you going to do. Are Paula's an hutch vegaterians, if not why, you can't be that hypocritical. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quarter bull 240 Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 I have to laugh at you Paula's, when people say they kill in Gods name log how do they find this out,, cause the God of the bible don't talk to you an tell you what to do lol If your talking about the other religious "gods" then I wouldn't know. Definatley not the one truevGod of bible, but anyway can you give me an answer on anything I ask or jusybcall names like a baby lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,441 Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 I've seen some terrible things, a baby suffering beyond the ken of most of you, as we read this others suffer horribly. So if there was a god and they sat and watched this then anyone who supports them is so much worse than any Nazi that stood by Hitler without questioning his actions. If i decided to drop a new born baby off of a 20 storey tower block guess what..........God couldnt stop me !...........So does that mean people shouldnt " support " him. given hes god then why would you, if you buy an electric drill and it don't drill then would you recommend it and hold it in esteem? oh i get it now......if God doesnt benefit me i shouldnt " support " him.............thats like saying if that drill i bought into didnt work i,ll just pretend drills dont exist ! put it another way, why would he sit back over centuries and watch innocents slaughtered in his name? simplistically if its good v evil then all good does is watch whilst evil rampages in the name of good. makes no sense Probably about as much sense as thinking something that doesnt even exist can sit back and watch at all !....Is it even possible to make judgement of something that doesnt exist ....maybe i,ll ask him for world peace tonight and if he doesnt go for it i,ll elbow him and become an atheist. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 I've seen some terrible things, a baby suffering beyond the ken of most of you, as we read this others suffer horribly. So if there was a god and they sat and watched this then anyone who supports them is so much worse than any Nazi that stood by Hitler without questioning his actions. If i decided to drop a new born baby off of a 20 storey tower block guess what..........God couldnt stop me !...........So does that mean people shouldnt " support " him. given hes god then why would you, if you buy an electric drill and it don't drill then would you recommend it and hold it in esteem? oh i get it now......if God doesnt benefit me i shouldnt " support " him.............thats like saying if that drill i bought into didnt work i,ll just pretend drills dont exist ! put it another way, why would he sit back over centuries and watch innocents slaughtered in his name? simplistically if its good v evil then all good does is watch whilst evil rampages in the name of good. makes no sense Probably about as much sense as thinking something that doesnt even exist can sit back and watch at all !....Is it even possible to make judgement of something that doesnt exist ....maybe i,ll ask him for world peace tonight and if he doesnt go for it i,ll elbow him and become an atheist. ask him for anything, even a box of matches and i will bet he don't give it to you but some man might in his name Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hutch6 550 Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 You might follow the run of the mill Paula's but I don't, free will is a choice to do whatever you want, right, so tell me this Paula's, how did we get our free will if God didn't create us with it? How can you trust your rationale an decision making if your brain is a bunch of chemicals, you can't, so your decision making can't be trusted That is without doubt the second best thing anyone has ever said on these discussions. You can't be that condescending Paula's, you have the cheek, who you killing in the name of when your hunting you too hutch, by your view your killing your relatives everyday for your fun, your cousin the rabbit , what about your long lost uncle monkey there being killed everyday, what do you care about your relative, you don't your just hypocrites, I just slaughtered your relative there, banana sandwich tasty, what are you going to do. Are Paula's an hutch vegaterians, if not why, you can't be that hypocritical. The whole of the above is the absolute best. QB, if our brains are just a sludge of chemicals that can't be trusted, how can you trust your's in believing there is a God? Are we the only creatures on this Earth with free will? How can you have a God if there is free will? On your bit where I am mentioned specifically. I am not killing in the name of anything or anyone or are you still working along the lines of me being confused and not knowing who I am or what my thoughts are? Your God lets innocent people die everyday. Your God lets children starve to death and die in the most horrific ways. Your God created a whole manner of parasites that serve no purpose other than to blind, paralyse and cause suffering in people just so its offspring can go onto to do the same to other people. Your God decided it had made a grave mistake so killed all but 99% of life on Earth according to your book. Your God hates anyone that doesn't know who God is (that was you for the first umpteen years of your life) which includes every new born baby, every non-christian, every atheist, every person who hasn't made it out of the rain forests and every living creature that isn't a human being. If you take the stats that there are roughly 2.1billion christians in the world and there are 7billion people in the world then God hates 6.9billion people but this will be more as of the 2.1billion Christians I am sure that christian parents would say their new born baby is a Christian and yet the baby has no concept of God, doesn't know who God is and certainly won't believe in God so God will hate their baby even though they are Christian. To take it one step further, the logic of the Bible states that God will probably be incredibly upset with not only the baby but also the parents as the baby will see its parent's (mainly its mother to begin with) as the be all and end all of its world thus making them false idols. You did the same with your parents, your new born will do the same with you and no doubt Jesus did the same with Mary. Don't you think that is a lot of hate coming from your God? Now, personally I hunt and kill to provide food for my table not fun. I don't buy Halal or Kosher and I refuse to eat anywhere that will put that on my plate as I don't want to eat any food that has been blessed by any God in any language and in a way that causes unnecessary suffering. I also don't buy products that are part of the palm oil trade nor do I consume any food that promotes a mono culture so I don't get how I am a hypocrite QB. Maybe because I see them as being related to me I have a bit more respect for them than someone who, erm, let me see, gets told they are there for them to do as they want as they have every right to them and all the planet because of what some book says. According to your dear book QB you were given the Earth and everything on it to do as you please, I on the other hand understand how I sit within it all, how it was put together over billions of years and accept I am part of it all, that is something you can never do and I feel deeply sorry for you as you have to wait to die to be in a better place and feel like you are home. You were here by the work of God and must obey God and please your God during your time here or you will not get to spend eternity with your God. I accept I am here by the very slimmest of chances and thus will make the best of my time here without constraint or worrying about what happens to me after I die for I'll be dead and cease to exist. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 You can't be that condescending Paula's, you have the cheek, who you killing in the name of when your hunting you too hutch, by your view your killing your relatives everyday for your fun, your cousin the rabbit , what about your long lost uncle monkey there being killed everyday, what do you care about your relative, you don't your just hypocrites, I just slaughtered your relative there, banana sandwich tasty, what are you going to do. Are Paula's an hutch vegaterians, if not why, you can't be that hypocritical. i never said we were blood brothers but its a fact all life is made from the same basic elements and we are a genetic copy of those who created us, your body works on chemical interactions and electrical pulses another fact. explain what "free will" is when your doing exactly what your told to do by a book thats thousands of years old Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quarter bull 240 Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 Lol you guys are funny Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,441 Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 I've seen some terrible things, a baby suffering beyond the ken of most of you, as we read this others suffer horribly. So if there was a god and they sat and watched this then anyone who supports them is so much worse than any Nazi that stood by Hitler without questioning his actions. If i decided to drop a new born baby off of a 20 storey tower block guess what..........God couldnt stop me !...........So does that mean people shouldnt " support " him. given hes god then why would you, if you buy an electric drill and it don't drill then would you recommend it and hold it in esteem? oh i get it now......if God doesnt benefit me i shouldnt " support " him.............thats like saying if that drill i bought into didnt work i,ll just pretend drills dont exist ! put it another way, why would he sit back over centuries and watch innocents slaughtered in his name? simplistically if its good v evil then all good does is watch whilst evil rampages in the name of good. makes no sense Probably about as much sense as thinking something that doesnt even exist can sit back and watch at all !....Is it even possible to make judgement of something that doesnt exist ....maybe i,ll ask him for world peace tonight and if he doesnt go for it i,ll elbow him and become an atheist. ask him for anything, even a box of matches and i will bet he don't give it to you but some man might in his name Blame the player not the game ...................Ive been beaten senseless in the name of following football but i still love the game.....and certainly dont deny its existence Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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