Born Hunter 17,783 Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 No idea, probably a few clever Germans or yanks. To be honest all that quantum crap I found a complete chore, some folks take to it though. Them fuckers aren't right upstairs mind... not like me! LOL Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rodp 316 Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 What born is trying to say for us unscientific folk, is that the big bang is not an explanation to tell us how, time, space, an matter, was created," your own words born" its merely an sneaky explanation, to say the universe had a beginning,,,,God told us this first line of the bible thousands of years ago,,,in the beginning(time) God created heavens,(space) an the earth, (matter) Glad we cleared that up, correct me if im wrong born. Don't think so, the big bang created the planets and solar systems. The universe as such doesn't exist, it's nothing and nowhere. If god created everything where was he before he did? The universe is our space time and all the energy (and matter, which is a form of energy). It's entirely possible there is a world outside of our universe (space time) which is responsible for the 'creation' of ours. The big bang theory tells us how our current universe was built from its earliest known origins as a physical singularity but it does not tell us how our space time and the energy in it came to be.... yet! It's the difference between knowing how you grew up from a day old baby and knowing how the fetus that grew into that day old baby was made. If you get me? What I was asking QB was if you take away the planets, dust etc what are you left with ? Take away the physical entity's and you're left with nothing, it's not even empty because to be empty it has to exist. The big bang was matter or/ and energy, but according to QB God created everything, so where? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quarter bull 240 Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 What born is trying to say for us unscientific folk, is that the big bang is not an explanation to tell us how, time, space, an matter, was created," your own words born" its merely an sneaky explanation, to say the universe had a beginning,,,,God told us this first line of the bible thousands of years ago,,,in the beginning(time) God created heavens,(space) an the earth, (matter) Glad we cleared that up, correct me if im wrong born. Don't think so, the big bang created the planets and solar systems. The universe as such doesn't exist, it's nothing and nowhere. If god created everything where was he before he did? The universe is our space time and all the energy (and matter, which is a form of energy). It's entirely possible there is a world outside of our universe (space time) which is responsible for the 'creation' of ours. The big bang theory tells us how our current universe was built from its earliest known origins as a physical singularity but it does not tell us how our space time and the energy in it came to be.... yet! It's the difference between knowing how you grew up from a day old baby and knowing how the fetus that grew into that day old baby was made. If you get me? What I was asking QB was if you take away the planets, dust etc what are you left with ? Take away the physical entity's and you're left with nothing, it's not even empty because to be empty it has to exist. The big bang was matter or/ and energy, but according to QB God created everything, so where? As I said,an born might agree with me, I think God is in another dimension, he created time space an matter, therefore hes not limited by them, quantan physics says, theres more than just, our third dimension. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rodp 316 Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 I thought the theory, or one theory, was that we are travelling apart at different velocities, which explained why we seem to be separating. The ones further away from the centre than us are travelling faster, therefore leaving us. The ones behind us are travelling slower therefore we're leaving them. The further away we get from the centre the bigger the circumference which means we all travel further apart. Which means there was a centre. What they don't know is why. The big bang may have been a big PHUT Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rodp 316 Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 What born is trying to say for us unscientific folk, is that the big bang is not an explanation to tell us how, time, space, an matter, was created," your own words born" its merely an sneaky explanation, to say the universe had a beginning,,,,God told us this first line of the bible thousands of years ago,,,in the beginning(time) God created heavens,(space) an the earth, (matter) Glad we cleared that up, correct me if im wrong born. Don't think so, the big bang created the planets and solar systems. The universe as such doesn't exist, it's nothing and nowhere. If god created everything where was he before he did? The universe is our space time and all the energy (and matter, which is a form of energy). It's entirely possible there is a world outside of our universe (space time) which is responsible for the 'creation' of ours. The big bang theory tells us how our current universe was built from its earliest known origins as a physical singularity but it does not tell us how our space time and the energy in it came to be.... yet! It's the difference between knowing how you grew up from a day old baby and knowing how the fetus that grew into that day old baby was made. If you get me? What I was asking QB was if you take away the planets, dust etc what are you left with ? Take away the physical entity's and you're left with nothing, it's not even empty because to be empty it has to exist. The big bang was matter or/ and energy, but according to QB God created everything, so where? As I said,an born might agree with me, I think God is in another dimension, he created time space an matter, therefore hes not limited by them, quantan physics says, theres more than just, our third dimension. If he's from a different dimension and came here that means by definition he's an alien !!! How you going to cope with that QB ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,783 Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 Well, not strictly true mate. Even if you take all the matter out of the universe you are still left with the dimensions of space and time which are very real boundaries for any matter or energy that might be present. So the universe still exists, it's just empty. The big bang was an expansion of space with the progression of time. All the energy in the universe today was present then, no less no more. Following the expansion of the space dimensions, post big bang, that energy 'evolved' into matter following the laws of physics and eventually billions of years later into the universe we see today. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,783 Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 I'm only really interested in talking physics, so I'm going to avoid the prove god exists doesn't exist business. I need a shower and bed so ill carry this on tomorrow. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quarter bull 240 Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 Well, not strictly true mate. Even if you take all the matter out of the universe you are still left with the dimensions of space and time which are very real boundaries for any matter or energy that might be present. So the universe still exists, it's just empty. The big bang was an expansion of space with the progression of time. All the energy in the universe today was present then, no less no more. Following the expansion of the space dimensions, post big bang, that energy 'evolved' into matter following the laws of physics and eventually billions of years later into the universe we see today. Theoretically mate, ok goodnight Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quarter bull 240 Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 Sorry mate I meant theoretically this part below lol post big bang, that energy 'evolved' into matter following the laws of physics and eventually billions of years later into the universe we see today. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quarter bull 240 Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I [am] the LORD that maketh all [things]; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself; Isaiah 44:24 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quarter bull 240 Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I [am] the LORD that maketh all [things]; that stretcheth forth the heaven alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself; Isaiah 44:24 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rodp 316 Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 Well, not strictly true mate. Even if you take all the matter out of the universe you are still left with the dimensions of space and time which are very real boundaries for any matter or energy that might be present. So the universe still exists, it's just empty. The big bang was an expansion of space with the progression of time. All the energy in the universe today was present then, no less no more. Following the expansion of the space dimensions, post big bang, that energy 'evolved' into matter following the laws of physics and eventually billions of years later into the universe we see today. Does time exist though, or is it just a figment of the human imagination? Even hawking cannot say for certain that it exists which is why he's unsure that the speed of light is a boundary. If time doesn't exist there theoretically should be no boundaries. As he says, we may be seeing something that's not there or is completely different to what we think we see.. The problem is, we cannot look, we only see what we see. We need to be able to see what we cannot see ....yet. As for the dimensions of space, that's only relative to the matter in space. Just because the matter we see behaves in a particular manner we assume it's the rules of the universe that cause it, there could well be things we don't see far outside what we think of as boundaries. Quantum physics being an example Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quarter bull 240 Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, [even] my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded. Isaiah 45:12 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rodp 316 Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 What born is trying to say for us unscientific folk, is that the big bang is not an explanation to tell us how, time, space, an matter, was created," your own words born" its merely an sneaky explanation, to say the universe had a beginning,,,,God told us this first line of the bible thousands of years ago,,,in the beginning(time) God created heavens,(space) an the earth, (matter) Glad we cleared that up, correct me if im wrong born. Don't think so, the big bang created the planets and solar systems. The universe as such doesn't exist, it's nothing and nowhere. If god created everything where was he before he did? The universe is our space time and all the energy (and matter, which is a form of energy). It's entirely possible there is a world outside of our universe (space time) which is responsible for the 'creation' of ours. The big bang theory tells us how our current universe was built from its earliest known origins as a physical singularity but it does not tell us how our space time and the energy in it came to be.... yet! It's the difference between knowing how you grew up from a day old baby and knowing how the fetus that grew into that day old baby was made. If you get me? What I was asking QB was if you take away the planets, dust etc what are you left with ? Take away the physical entity's and you're left with nothing, it's not even empty because to be empty it has to exist. The big bang was matter or/ and energy, but according to QB God created everything, so where? As I said,an born might agree with me, I think God is in another dimension, he created time space an matter, therefore hes not limited by them, quantan physics says, theres more than just, our third dimension. If he's from a different dimension and came here that means by definition he's an alien !!! How you going to cope with that QB ? QB, you didn't answer Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quarter bull 240 Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his discretion. Jeremiah 10:1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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