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[Born Hunter 17,763]

I'm very biased and inexperienced for that matter, hence why I would not like to say what's best. Just found a few amusing quotes from the links given that might bring into question the previous conclusion of "By far the best varmint round for all ranges seems to be .22-250:".

 

LOL, oh yeah, I had nearly forgotten about the best 2 days of my shooting life.

[hutchey 147]

I'm very biased and inexperienced for that matter, hence why I would not like to say what's best. Just found a few amusing quotes from the links given that might bring into question the previous conclusion of "By far the best varmint round for all ranges seems to be .22-250:".

 

LOL, oh yeah, I had nearly forgotten about the best 2 days of my shooting life.

 

2 woodcock I heard eh buddy! Nice going. My first ever shot on a drive also got me a woodcock. Feather in the cap - done!

[Born Hunter 17,763]

 

I'm very biased and inexperienced for that matter, hence why I would not like to say what's best. Just found a few amusing quotes from the links given that might bring into question the previous conclusion of "By far the best varmint round for all ranges seems to be .22-250:".

 

LOL, oh yeah, I had nearly forgotten about the best 2 days of my shooting life.

 

2 woodcock I heard eh buddy! Nice going. My first ever shot on a drive also got me a woodcock. Feather in the cap - done!

 

 

That was my best day, until earlier this week.... 3 Roe, 1 cull Fallow Buck and 2 bloody monster Bucks with matching heads, lol...... Amongst a few varmints too.

[danw 1,748]

 

 

 

 

I'm very biased and inexperienced for that matter, hence why I would not like to say what's best. Just found a few amusing quotes from the links given that might bring into question the previous conclusion of "By far the best varmint round for all ranges seems to be .22-250:".

 

LOL, oh yeah, I had nearly forgotten about the best 2 days of my shooting life.

2 woodcock I heard eh buddy! Nice going. My first ever shot on a drive also got me a woodcock. Feather in the cap - done!

That was my best day, until earlier this week.... 3 Roe, 1 cull Fallow Buck and 2 bloody monster Bucks with matching heads, lol...... Amongst a few varmints too.

They stalking lark is piss easy mate lol

[Alsone 789]

And this is exactly my point to say one single rifle is the best is naive to say the least alsones inability to see past ballistic charts is laughable it takes no other factors into account and makes his findings nonsensical real time behind the trigger is where opinion should be based and then when reality hits its damned obvious that no one cartridge is the best it is which one fits within your criteria or more specifically which fits the job/circumstance in hand

P,s BH your bias when it comes to the 25 but it sure stopped they beasties didn't it lol

 

 

If you read the tests Dan, you'll find they're not about ballistic tables but terminal ballistic research as per the web title and so they examine the impact effect of the various weights of bullets within each calibre at various ranges on animals of various sizes including wound channel analysis and killing efficiency (speed of death):

 

So for example for .25-06:

 

 

The cut off point for fast killing with the .25-06 is generally around 2600fps. At impact velocities below 2600fps, wounds may be wide and clean killing but the results are nevertheless delayed. The .25-06 fully loses its ability to produce even remotely fast kills at impact velocities of 2200fps with ordinary chest shots.

 

Like I said the post was informational not personal opinion....and when I made the one gun fits all reference, I'm was referencing the .22-250's calibres reported efficiency over all usual varmint target distances without an apparent achilles heel, not suggesting that there's one gun you can buy suitable for all animal types / situations.

 

Don't shoot the messenger, (keep it on the target).

Edited March 6, 2015 by Alsone

[Born Hunter 17,763]

And if you bothered to read the article you'll realise it's talking about the 25 very specifically for use on medium game! So Fallow sized animals. It doesn't even really touch on the 25-06 for use on Fox sized game which require a lower velocity to generate the instant kills than medium sized game does due to the proximity of the shot to the CNS and the softer composition of the body.

 

It does NOT draw a comparison between the two as a varmint round, never mind claim the 22-250 to be "by far the best". How can you even claim one calibre the best all round varmint round anyway when varmints range from 200lb wolves to 1lb squirrels?

 

Shoot the messenger..... no, you have drawn your own conclusions, not passing on those of another.

[hutchey 147]

And nothing of bullet choice, weight, weather conditions, animal density (thin and gaunt or a beast), precise shot placement, and more.

 

That's the trouble with so called bench tests in anything, they are only guidelines.

My damn car doesn't do 53mpg no matter how i drive it but the factory said it does.

Bollox, can't beat real life experience

[danw 1,748]

 

 

And this is exactly my point to say one single rifle is the best is naive to say the least alsones inability to see past ballistic charts is laughable it takes no other factors into account and makes his findings nonsensical real time behind the trigger is where opinion should be based and then when reality hits its damned obvious that no one cartridge is the best it is which one fits within your criteria or more specifically which fits the job/circumstance in hand

P,s BH your bias when it comes to the 25 but it sure stopped they beasties didn't it lol

 

If you read the tests Dan, you'll find they're not about ballistic tables but terminal ballistic research as per the web title and so they examine the impact effect of the various weights of bullets within each calibre at various ranges on animals of various sizes including wound channel analysis and killing efficiency (speed of death):

 

So for example for .25-06:

 

The cut off point for fast killing with the .25-06 is generally around 2600fps. At impact velocities below 2600fps, wounds may be wide and clean killing but the results are nevertheless delayed. The .25-06 fully loses its ability to produce even remotely fast kills at impact velocities of 2200fps with ordinary chest shots.

Like I said the post was informational not personal opinion....and when I made the one gun fits all reference, I'm was referencing the .22-250's calibres reported efficiency over all usual varmint target distances without an apparent achilles heel, not suggesting that there's one gun you can buy suitable for all animal types / situations.

 

Don't shoot the messenger, (keep it on the target).

What do you consider all usual varmint target distances?see here is the thing you say the 250 is the best yet I as some one who shoots varmints on a daily basis feel the need to own 4 of the guns you list why would I do that if the 250 was the only one I need and strangely the one I have owned used extensively and sold but didn't replace?

[Born Hunter 17,763]

I'll give you one thing though Alsone, that's an interesting site. Fair play for pointing me at it.

[danw 1,748]

I'll give you one thing though Alsone, that's an interesting site. Fair play for pointing me at it.

GEEK less reading more shooting !!!!!

 

Lol

 

Edited just realised I've all your ammunition lol

[walshie 2,804]

Can everyone stop bullying Alsone.

 

Always good to read facts and figures, but one's man's meat is another man''s poison.

 

As long as my intended target falls over dead when I pull the trigger, I'm a happy man.

[Alsone 789]

And if you bothered to read the article you'll realise it's talking about the 25 very specifically for use on medium game! So Fallow sized animals. It doesn't even really touch on the 25-06 for use on Fox sized game which require a lower velocity to generate the instant kills than medium sized game does due to the proximity of the shot to the CNS and the softer composition of the body.

 

 

Although the 25 article is mostly concered with medium animals, it does touch on varmints with the 90 grain PHP round.

 

Can everyone stop bullying Alsone.

 

Always good to read facts and figures, but one's man's meat is another man''s poison.

 

As long as my intended target falls over dead when I pull the trigger, I'm a happy man.

 

Thank you Walshie.

[delswal 3,819]

The best all round varmint rifle is……………..The one that suits the shooter.

[danw 1,748]

 

 

And if you bothered to read the article you'll realise it's talking about the 25 very specifically for use on medium game! So Fallow sized animals. It doesn't even really touch on the 25-06 for use on Fox sized game which require a lower velocity to generate the instant kills than medium sized game does due to the proximity of the shot to the CNS and the softer composition of the body.

 

Although the 25 article is mostly concered with medium animals, it does touch on varmints with the 90 grain PHP round.

Can everyone stop bullying Alsone.

 

Always good to read facts and figures, but one's man's meat is another man''s poison.

 

As long as my intended target falls over dead when I pull the trigger, I'm a happy man.

Thank you Walshie.

Why would you use a 90 gr. bullet on varmints out of a 25 when 75gr vmax or 85gr nosler varmint bullets are available but then when varmints are considered upto 60kg !!!!I guess you want a bigger bullet,the article states 25 calibre rifles are hard to find yet that is untrue and every mainstream manufacturer chambers for it ammo availability is good I and many others have easily managed high end velocitys (As measured by chronograph) yet this article claims otherwise in conclusion the article is flawed and Contradictory and as previously stated has no relevance to uk shooting

[Alsone 789]

The best all round varmint rifle is……………..The one that suits the shooter.

 

That's one thing I really can't argue with. If you have a gun and love it, then it pays to stick with it whatever it's calibre or it's foibles. You always shoot better if you trust your equipment.