F.a.c Wording

[Tremo 138]

 

 

"Any Legal Quarry"?. Sounds a bit vague to me mate, especially since your last one included the word "Fox". ...... There again though, what do I know?

 

My force won't allow rimfires for fox, so my rimfire section only states "Any other legal quarry".

And? Foxes with a rimfire is legal .. So if yours states any other legal quarry that means foxes as well ... Just because a force wont specifically grant them for fox doesn't mean they cant be used if you've got no restrictions which with aolq on your cert your not, unless I'm missing something

 

 

Interesting point well picked up.

 

Rimfire and foxes is perfectly legal and has nothing to do with what your force will grant as specifically named or not.

 

So your wording, "Any other legal quarry". means just that....does it actually say Legal or Lawful?

 

And I'm not sure why you think "Any Legal Quarry" sounds vague, what could be clearer?!

 

ATB!

 

 

On my initial grant application I did place "Fox" against my HMR entry. My FEO said that he could not put it on my ticket as such because the recommendations from BASC were ".223 and above" for fox. In the same breathe though he did say that even though this could not be placed on my ticket, in reality if I was out one day or one night and a fox crossed my path and I felt that I could deliver a humane kill shot then there was no problem with me using the HMR. He is a good chap my FEO (and realistic), but I guess that he needs to do his job by the book as instructed from above.

 

You can see know from my perspective, and my dealing with my local force, why I found the statement to be a little vague. Everything is black and white here.

[walshie 2,804]

Blimey. To me that sounds even more confusing. Apart from the fact BASC don't say 223 and above, your FEO is saying he can't specifically put something on your ticket, but you can shoot it anyway?

 

I think I prefer my conditions.

[SportingShooter 0]

It would make things so much simpler if they just stopped fooling around and listed "Any lawful quarry" next to each firearm,

 

That could be written by any force from Police Scotland to Devon and Cornwall with no ambiguity in between.

 

When it comes down to it, if you have an unrestricted FAC conditioned for field use, why does it matter if you shoot a Rabbit or Fallow with a .308?

 

Hopefully these quarry conditions are on their way out.

[Alsone 789]

It would make things so much simpler if they just stopped fooling around and listed "Any lawful quarry" next to each firearm,

 

That could be written by any force from Police Scotland to Devon and Cornwall with no ambiguity in between.

 

When it comes down to it, if you have an unrestricted FAC conditioned for field use, why does it matter if you shoot a Rabbit or Fallow with a .308?

 

Hopefully these quarry conditions are on their way out.

 

Any legal quarry is probably clearer.

 

As for calibre approval for quarry, it doesn't make any difference which is why I believe is also why the BASC want an end to land approval by calibre as it works fine in Scotland.

 

At the end of the day is doesn't matter if you use a .223 or a nuclear weapon provided you have a sufficient backstop (or fallout zone) to take account of any pass through. The only danger is going too low in power and then being inhumane. Most shooters appreciate when a caliber is overkill both from the way it hits them in the pocket and from the destruction of the prey. What's amusing for a few shots soon becomes pointless and expensive.

[Sussex Stalker 7]

ALQ or Any legal quarry is what has now been agreed by various police licensing authorities to be used. Should also say "subject to the suitability of the calibre."' My open FAC from Sussex Police says that the firearms in my possession can be used for " deer and other legal quarry."

[Tremo 138]

Yes, conditions and wording seem to vary considerably from authority to authority. I'm not shooting outside the Gwent area at the moment so it makes very little difference for me, especially now that I have moved on my HMR.

 

This does beg a question though, and playing the devils advocate ........ What would be the position if a completely legal enthusiast travelled from one authority to another on a shooting outing and as a result found himself in such a position? Do you see what I'm getting at?

[Chid 6,519]

Yes, conditions and wording seem to vary considerablminimumcauthority to authority. I'm not shooting outside the Gwent area at the moment so it makes very little difference for me, especially now that I have moved on my HMR.

 

This does beg a question though, and playing the devils advocate ........ What would be the position if a completely legal enthusiast travelled from one authority to another on a shooting outing and as a result found himself in such a position? Do you see what I'm getting at?

what are you on about? Ffs it aint that hard to understand

 

Just because they wont grant one for fox doesnt mean one cant be used on fox if youve got aolq .. there is no minimum legal calibre for fox no people wont find themselves in such a position

[Tremo 138]

I'm FULLY aware of this, as I guess are all the other participants in the thread. If you read the full thread you will see that the underlying theme is the inconsistency in the wording on tickets from one police authority to the next. No-one here is disputing the meaning of AOLQ.

[Tremo 138]

 

Yes, conditions and wording seem to vary considerablminimumcauthority to authority. I'm not shooting outside the Gwent area at the moment so it makes very little difference for me, especially now that I have moved on my HMR.

 

This does beg a question though, and playing the devils advocate ........ What would be the position if a completely legal enthusiast travelled from one authority to another on a shooting outing and as a result found himself in such a position? Do you see what I'm getting at?

what are you on about? Ffs it aint that hard to understand

 

Just because they wont grant one for fox doesnt mean one cant be used on fox if youve got aolq .. there is no minimum legal calibre for fox no people wont find themselves in such a position

 

 

My reply to Walshie's initial post was just my opinion, and you know what they say about opinions? They are just like @RSEHOLES, everyone has one.

[SportingShooter 0]

The conditions that one force employs are not binding on residents of other force areas.

 

If my FAC issued by for instance, North Wales police says that I can shoot Fox with my HMR and AOLQ, then if I travel into Cheshire where they don't grant the HMR for Fox, it would come down to the wording of my FAC, not the local firearms departments' opinion of what is or isn't suitable.

 

So if your FAC says you can shoot it, then crack on.

[The Seeker 3,048]

I find it more worrying that a FEO thinks BASC will only recommend .223 and above for fox.

 

I mean where do they employ these fools from? kindergarten cop school?

[walshie 2,804]

I've seen the relevant article from BASC about "suitable" calibres for fox and they suggest .22 centrefire, and say .22 rimfire is only suitable for very close range fox, so it IS suitable, just nearer.

 

But then anyone who thinks they could shoot Mr Reynard at 200 yards with a rimfire doesn't deserve an FAC at all.

[Chid 6,519]

I've seen the relevant article from BASC about "suitable" calibres for fox and they suggest .22 centrefire, and say .22 rimfire is only suitable for very close range fox, so it IS suitable, just nearer.

 

But then anyone who thinks they could shoot Mr Reynard at 200 yards with a rimfire doesn't deserve an FAC at all.

ffs walshie i can do that with my .22 smk

[walshie 2,804]

 

I've seen the relevant article from BASC about "suitable" calibres for fox and they suggest .22 centrefire, and say .22 rimfire is only suitable for very close range fox, so it IS suitable, just nearer.

 

But then anyone who thinks they could shoot Mr Reynard at 200 yards with a rimfire doesn't deserve an FAC at all.

ffs walshie i can do that with my .22 smk

 

 

Yeah, but I heard you had a spring kit in it.

[Chid 6,519]

 

 

I've seen the relevant article from BASC about "suitable" calibres for fox and they suggest .22 centrefire, and say .22 rimfire is only suitable for very close range fox, so it IS suitable, just nearer.

 

But then anyone who thinks they could shoot Mr Reynard at 200 yards with a rimfire doesn't deserve an FAC at all.

 

ffs walshie i can do that with my .22 smk

Yeah, but I heard you had a spring kit in it.

aye its some tool now

 

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