Mayweather V Pacquiao Is On !!!!

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Tyson got past plenty of top jabs, Thomas, Briggs, Williams, Bruno.... Need I say more?? And like I said, the Ruddock fights show that the myth of him folding was rubbish. Anyone can play that game.... Name me some all time great heavyweights that Lennox Lewis beat in their prime?? Or Joe Louis?? Or Larry Holmes infact??

 

I say again....a jab is not a tool if its not thrown.....Tommy Hearns had an amazing jab but it wasnt amazing if he didnt throw it !!.......I enjoy these type of boxing natters mate but i really dont have the inclination to trawl through fighters records looking for the age of their opponents im merely going on memory......i guess if you are going to class a washed up Michael Spinks as an all time great heavyweight then we might as well class Holyfield/Mercer/Tua/your man Tucker........Walcott/Farr/Braddock/Schmaeling/Sharkey/Ketchel........Witherspoon/Weaver/Norton as all time great heavyweights...no ?........... .Lewis,Louis and Holmes are all on any all time great list way above Tyson so forgive my cynicsm........where exactly would you place Tyson on an all time great list just out of curiosity ?

Edited March 3, 2015 by gnasher16

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Tyson got past plenty of top jabs, Thomas, Briggs, Williams, Bruno.... Need I say more?? And like I said, the Ruddock fights show that the myth of him folding was rubbish. Anyone can play that game.... Name me some all time great heavyweights that Lennox Lewis beat in their prime?? Or Joe Louis?? Or Larry Holmes infact??

 

I say again....a jab is not a tool if its not thrown.....Tommy Hearns had an amazing jab but it wasnt amazing if he didnt throw it !!.......I enjoy these type of boxing natters mate but i really dont have the inclination to trawl through fighters records looking for the age of their opponents im merely going on memory......i guess if you are going to class Michael Spinks as an all time great heavyweight then we might as well class Holyfield/Mercer/Tua/your man Tucker........Walcott/Farr/Braddock/Schmaeling/Sharkey/Ketchel........Witherspoon/Weaver/Norton the same....no ?........... .Lewis,Louis and Holmes are all on any all time great list way above Tyson so forgive my cynicsm........where exactly would you place Tyson on an all time great list just out of curiosity ?

I'd have Tyson around the 9-12 mark on an ATG list and higher up on a head to head basis, what about you?

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I'd have Tyson around the 9-12 mark on an ATG list and higher up on a head to head basis, what about you?

 

Probably about the same as you 10/11......i wouldnt have him down to beat many above him head to head though simply taking eras into account.......lets face it Klitcsko would probably batter Jack Dempsey but you could never place him higher.

 

Now how about Michael Spinks ?

Edited March 4, 2015 by gnasher16

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I'd have Tyson around the 9-12 mark on an ATG list and higher up on a head to head basis, what about you?

 

Probably about the same as you 10/11......i wouldnt have him down to beat many above him head to head though simply taking eras into account.......lets face it Klitcsko would probably batter Jack Dempsey but you could never place him higher.

 

Now how about Michael Spinks ?

Come on then let's see your Top 10.

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I always think to do all time great lists you have to simply forget who would beat who as it makes it impossible.....in my opinion to get on an all time great list everything must come into it......great fights,great opponents,ability,longevity,impact made on the sport.....this is off the top of my head so might need to alter it when i see what it looks like !

 

1.Ali

2.Louis

3.Johnson

4.Marciano

5.Dempsey

6.Holmes

7.Foreman

8.Jeffries

9.Frazier

10.Tunney

11.Holyfield

12.Liston

13.Tyson

14.Lewis

15.Corbett

 

I only carried onto 15 to see when i could fit Tyson in .....he,s a classic example of what i said at the start no great fights no great opponents,no longevity.........but made a massive impact on the game.

 

Ok mate away you..........and no consulting the record books !!

 

Only made 1 edit as well !

Edited March 4, 2015 by gnasher16

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I don't understand how you can put Dempsey and Frazier above Tyson?? What's your reasons for that?

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1. Ali

2. Louis

3. Marciano

4. Foreman

5. Holmes

6. Johnson

7. Lewis

8. Vitali

9. Holyfield

10. Tyson

[MickC 1,825]

1 Johnson

2 Louis

3 sullivan

4 Ali

5 Foreman

6 Dempsey

7 Holmes

8 Lewis

9 Tyson

10 Holyfield

Fighting was the easy part for Johnson and Louis.Throughout Johnson and Louis careers they were fighting knowing that they could be killed,just like plenty of other blacks did everytime they won.I believe the fighters from before the Wars were a lot tougher and the fights back then where never stopped on cuts/injuries.The more modern fighters had bettter training /nutrition but the fights where not as rough/brutal as the pre war years.

Edited March 4, 2015 by MickC

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1.Ali

2.Louis

3.Holmes

4.Marciano

5.Johnson

6.Foreman

7.Dempsey

8.Holyfield

9.Lewis

10.Tyson

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I don't understand how you can put Dempsey and Frazier above Tyson?? What's your reasons for that?

Because they both fought in the biggest fights of the century against all time great fighters and won..........Tyson didnt......They both took part in such exciting battles that went down as " fight of the century " .....Tyson didnt.

 

Dempsey generated the first million dollar gate in history,up until Ali,s era Ring Magazine listed him as the second greatest heavyweight ever,he changed the sport from a defensive 1 punch holding contest to all out aggressive action.

 

Frazier had the greatest rivalry in world sport with the greatest fighter ever and had 3 very close fights winning one of them while fighting in the best era the division ever saw.........the impact on the sport these 2 men made was massive......likewise Tyson made a massive impact,but thats all he did he never fought in historic fights and never beat a great fighter.

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1. Ali

2. Louis

3. Marciano

4. Foreman

5. Holmes

6. Johnson

7. Lewis

8. Vitali

9. Holyfield

10. Tyson

 

How Vitali Klitchko can be the 8th greatest fighter in history is beyond my logic !......Even Lewis at 7

 

 

And what happened to Michael Spinks and Tony Tucker ?........11 and 12 ?

Edited March 5, 2015 by gnasher16

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I don't understand how you can put Dempsey and Frazier above Tyson?? What's your reasons for that?

Because they both fought in the biggest fights of the century against all time great fighters and won..........Tyson didnt......They both took part in such exciting battles that went down as " fight of the century " .....Tyson didnt.

 

Dempsey generated the first million dollar gate in history,up until Ali,s era Ring Magazine listed him as the second greatest heavyweight ever,he changed the sport from a defensive 1 punch holding contest to all out aggressive action.

 

Frazier had the greatest rivalry in world sport with the greatest fighter ever and had 3 very close fights winning one of them while fighting in the best era the division ever saw.........the impact on the sport these 2 men made was massive......likewise Tyson made a massive impact,but thats all he did he never fought in historic fights and never beat a great fighter.

Basically you're putting Frazier higher than Tyson because he defeated a ring rusty Ali who'd been out of the sport for years?? He won the title by default after Ali's exit and lost nearly every big fight he had. Dempsey won the title from an old and past it Willard and lost it to the featherfisted Tunney. I'd sure as hell call the Tyson and Holyfield an historic fight, the bout was massive.

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Basically you're putting Frazier higher than Tyson because he defeated a ring rusty Ali who'd been out of the sport for years?? He won the title by default after Ali's exit and lost nearly every big fight he had. Dempsey won the title from an old and past it Willard and lost it to the featherfisted Tunney. I'd sure as hell call the Tyson and Holyfield an historic fight, the bout was massive.

 

Tyson curred out on the best opponents he faced.....Joe Frazier put on some of the gutsiest displays ever seen against the best opponents he faced have you never heard the saying " its how you lose that matters "......Tunney feather fisted come on you dont really subscribe to the thought that a masterful boxer cant punch do you...where would that leave you with your all time great Michael Spinks then ?.......and what ever possessed you to put a masterful boxer like Lewis above your man Tyson if thats your thinking ?....and as for Vitali Klitchko i,ll give you the benefit of the doubt and call it a typing error

Edited March 6, 2015 by gnasher16

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Basically you're putting Frazier higher than Tyson because he defeated a ring rusty Ali who'd been out of the sport for years?? He won the title by default after Ali's exit and lost nearly every big fight he had. Dempsey won the title from an old and past it Willard and lost it to the featherfisted Tunney. I'd sure as hell call the Tyson and Holyfield an historic fight, the bout was massive.

 

Tyson curred out on the best opponents he faced.....Joe Frazier put on some of the gutsiest displays ever seen against the best opponents he faced have you never heard the saying " its how you lose that matters "......Tunney feather fisted come on you dont really subscribe to the thought that a masterful boxer cant punch do you...where would that leave you with your all time great Michael Spinks then ?.......and what ever possessed you to put a masterful boxer like Lewis above your man Tyson if thats your thinking ?....and as for Vitali Klitchko i,ll give you the benefit of the doubt and call it a typing error

Guts have nothing to do with all time rankings, funny how you mock Michael Spinks yet he beat Larry Holmes twice.... Lewis has one of the best resumes in heavyweight history. As for Vitali, he has a great record and IMO ranks very high in a head to head rating.

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Guts have nothing to do with all time rankings, funny how you mock Michael Spinks yet he beat Larry Holmes twice.... Lewis has one of the best resumes in heavyweight history. As for Vitali, he has a great record and IMO ranks very high in a head to head rating.

 

So wait.......Dempsey gets no credit for beating a shot Willard.......Spinks victories ( if you can call the second fight a victory ) over a shot Holmes was a great accomplishment ?.......Tysons victory over an even more shot Holmes was also an accomplishment ?.......................................................yet Lewis victory over a shot Tyson doesnt count ..........If guts dont come into your judgement of fighters then i guess it makes sense why you are so high on Tyson.

 

As for Klitchko,s great record.......we,re back here again.....what great fighters did he beat ?........all time great fighters beat or lose honourably to other great fighters or compete in historic fights or transcend the sport.......Klitchko and Tyson never did any of that !

 

And for the record...i rate Spinks an all time great light heavyweight......but he certainly wasnt a heavyweight.

Edited March 7, 2015 by gnasher16