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[MickC 1,825]

Tyson could only fight who was available to him at the time Gnasher ,he had been World Champion for 3 years before Lewis had his first pro fight, Holyfield had just won his first Cruiser belt the same year Tyson got his first belt (1986).

Trevor Berbick w32 L 4 WBC

James Smith w19 L 5 WBA

Pinklon Thomas w29 L 1 d 1 IBF

Tony Tucker w34 L 0

Tyrell Biggs w 15 L 0

Larry Holmes w48 L 2

Tony Tubbs w24 L 1

Michael Spinks w31 L 0

Frank Bruno w32 L2

Carl Williams w22 L2

Buster Douglas w29 L4 d1 lost titles

They where decent enough fighters.Tyson first fought Holyfield in 1996 ten years after winning his first belt and fought Lewis in 2002. As for the Douglas fight it was common knowledge he was skipping training and going partying. He was even dropped heavy by one of his sparring partners Greg Page. The sparring partners pooled all there wages and bet on Douglas to win.In the Douglas fight Tyson got battered but still knocked a douglas out in the 8th round before himself getting knocked out in the 10th. I agree though Gnasher Tyson shouldn't have been fighting his head/heart just wasn't in it . Buster Douglas was simply in the right place at the right time and with his father recently dying he was well up for it.

Edited February 26, 2015 by MickC

[carp king 155]

If you look at most of tyson oponents most were well over 6 ft a lot were in the 6 ft 5 region Larry Holmes fair enough was over the hill but he never ever was dropped never mind banged out like that . Suppose we will never know but I do think tyson was the greatest. Most devestating fighter the world has seen .

[MickC 1,825]

The arguments will go on forever,watch the time keepers count compared to the refs. The ref also counted Tyson out at 9 but let Douglas continue after a 9 count.

And another

Edited February 26, 2015 by MickC

[DogFox123 1,379]

  On 26/02/2015 at 00:26, carp king said:

If you look at most of tyson oponents most were well over 6 ft a lot were in the 6 ft 5 region Larry Holmes fair enough was over the hill but he never ever was dropped never mind banged out like that . Suppose we will never know but I do think tyson was the greatest. Most devestating fighter the world has seen .

Tbh mate Holmes was knocked down hard on more than one occasion.

[brookie 1,193]

  On 26/02/2015 at 02:19, DogFox123 said:

 

  On 26/02/2015 at 00:26, carp king said:

If you look at most of tyson oponents most were well over 6 ft a lot were in the 6 ft 5 region Larry Holmes fair enough was over the hill but he never ever was dropped never mind banged out like that . Suppose we will never know but I do think tyson was the greatest. Most devestating fighter the world has seen .

Tbh mate Holmes was knocked down hard on more than one occasion.

 

i think Renaldo Snipes was the first fighter to drop holmes .but its the sign of a champion to get of the canvas to win . i think a prime Holmes would have reigned supreme in any era

[brookie 1,193]

  On 25/02/2015 at 20:45, DogFox123 said:

 

  On 25/02/2015 at 19:02, brookie said:

 

  On 25/02/2015 at 13:11, gnasher16 said:

I,ll never understand folks reasoning for thinking Tyson was some kind of superman......i think Lewis was too cautious in his fight with Tyson and showed him far too much respect he knew Tyson had nothing to trouble him and could be dealt with easily hence why Manny Steward kept on his case in the corner screaming at him to get Tyson out of there.......Tyson was never able to deal with really tall fighters look how he struggled with average fighters like Mitch Green and Ribalta in his prime.....he was also never able to deal with the jab look at the mess Lewis jab had him in even the Tokyo Douglas kept him at the end of his jab can you imagine what a prime Larry Holmes would of done to him with probably the greatest jab in the divisions history yet nobody ever whinges about Holmes being over the hill when Tyson beat him and Holmes beat great fighters with that jab the only good/great fighters Tyson ever fought knocked him out !

i fully agree with you about holmes gnash to me he was the greatest heavyweight of all time and the best jab ever in boxing .a truely brilliant fighter

Tyson would beat any version of Holmes, Larry was very susceptible to the right hand. Tyson was no Earnie Shavers though and was the best finisher in the business.

 

never in a million years would mike tyson have beaten holmes on a level playing field .holmes would have jabbed his head of .to the point he would have ridiculed him

[DogFox123 1,379]

  On 26/02/2015 at 09:33, brookie said:

 

  On 25/02/2015 at 20:45, DogFox123 said:

 

 

  On 25/02/2015 at 19:02, brookie said:

 

  On 25/02/2015 at 13:11, gnasher16 said:

I,ll never understand folks reasoning for thinking Tyson was some kind of superman......i think Lewis was too cautious in his fight with Tyson and showed him far too much respect he knew Tyson had nothing to trouble him and could be dealt with easily hence why Manny Steward kept on his case in the corner screaming at him to get Tyson out of there.......Tyson was never able to deal with really tall fighters look how he struggled with average fighters like Mitch Green and Ribalta in his prime.....he was also never able to deal with the jab look at the mess Lewis jab had him in even the Tokyo Douglas kept him at the end of his jab can you imagine what a prime Larry Holmes would of done to him with probably the greatest jab in the divisions history yet nobody ever whinges about Holmes being over the hill when Tyson beat him and Holmes beat great fighters with that jab the only good/great fighters Tyson ever fought knocked him out !

i fully agree with you about holmes gnash to me he was the greatest heavyweight of all time and the best jab ever in boxing .a truely brilliant fighter

Tyson would beat any version of Holmes, Larry was very susceptible to the right hand. Tyson was no Earnie Shavers though and was the best finisher in the business.

never in a million years would mike tyson have beaten holmes on a level playing field .holmes would have jabbed his head of .to the point he would have ridiculed him

Load of rubbish, like I've said before Holmes was open for the right hand, once hurt Tyson would finish the job unlike Shavers and Snipes...

[DogFox123 1,379]

  On 26/02/2015 at 00:52, MickC said:

The arguments will go on forever,watch the time keepers count compared to the refs. The ref also counted Tyson out at 9 but let Douglas continue after a 9 count.

And another

A fighter doesn't get up to a timer, Douglas took the count like a seasoned professional. He wasn't in any real trouble from that knockdown tbh.

[MickC 1,825]

Tysons prime years were between 84-89 the Kevin Rooney years. For the douglas fight it was at that time Tysons heaviest weight. Once Kevin Rooney was gone there was no more jabs,fast head movement or combination punches from Tyson, he gave up his range and came in with big hooks trying to bully his opponents instead of boxing like he had done under Rooney. As for the counts the timekeeper was two seconds ahead of the refs count,of course it changes nothing, the fight continued and Tyson was stopped in the tenth.

Edited February 26, 2015 by MickC

[DogFox123 1,379]

  On 26/02/2015 at 14:51, MickC said:

Tysons prime years were between 84-89 the Kevin Rooney years. For the douglas fight it was at that time Tysons heaviest weight. Once Kevin Rooney was gone there was no more jabs,fast head movement or combination punches from Tyson, he gave up his range and came in with big hooks trying to bully his opponents instead of boxing like he had done under Rooney. As for the counts the timekeeper was two seconds ahead of the refs count,of course it changes nothing, the fight continued and Tyson was stopped in the tenth.

Not true mate, infact he was heavier on the night he won the title against Berbick. Everybody blames the loss of Rooney yet forget he looked on fire against Williams in the fight prior to facing Douglas. IMO Douglas would have beat any version of Tyson with the mindset he had in Tokyo.

Edited February 26, 2015 by DogFox123

[MickC 1,825]

I agree Busters mind was steeled with the loss of one of his parents,as for Tyson he just thought he had to turn up to win,partying,skipping training. I'm pretty sure Tyson was to meet Holyfield later that year in Atlantic City. Buster fought out his skin that night and Tyson didn't.Buster hadn't done nothing as a fighter for anybody to think he would ever beat Tyson and that's why the odds were so big. Buster done nothing after the Tyson fight either which is why I say he got the Tyson fight at the right time.

Edited February 26, 2015 by MickC

[DogFox123 1,379]

  On 26/02/2015 at 17:24, MickC said:

I agree Busters mind was steeled with the loss of one of his parents,as for Tyson he just thought he had to turn up to win,partying,skipping training. I'm pretty sure Tyson was to meet Holyfield later that year in Atlantic City. Buster fought out his skin that night and Tyson didn't.

That's the thing though, we will never know if Tyson just wasn't allowed to perform by Douglas on that night. Styles make fights and he had the perfect style to beat Tyson.

[AKA-BRINDLE 879]

Lewis said something like..."Mike Tyson surveyed all hes saw as king when he was young...but i like a good wine matured later"...Lewis knew he had beaten a coked out shadow of the former Tyson...he was never the same fighter after he came out of jail...the trouble with Tyson these days is that everyone seems to judge him as a boxer for what he went to jail for...the media has done a good job on him...i remember listening to the first Tyson vs Bruno fight on a radio at a lock in at my old local...none of us had sky back then....many generations of fight fans that night...all supporting Bruno...but all awestruck by Tyson

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[AKA-BRINDLE 879]

  On 26/02/2015 at 17:24, MickC said:

I agree Busters mind was steeled with the loss of one of his parents,as for Tyson he just thought he had to turn up to win,partying,skipping training. I'm pretty sure Tyson was to meet Holyfield later that year in Atlantic City. Buster fought out his skin that night and Tyson didn't.Buster hadn't done nothing as a fighter for anybody to think he would ever beat Tyson and that's why the odds were so big. Buster done nothing after the Tyson fight either which is why I say he got the Tyson fight at the right time.

Much the same as when Lewis got stopped by Rahman...Lewis took his eye off the prize...it happens

[MickC 1,825]

  On 26/02/2015 at 17:58, AKA-BRINDLE said:

 

  On 26/02/2015 at 17:24, MickC said:

I agree Busters mind was steeled with the loss of one of his parents,as for Tyson he just thought he had to turn up to win,partying,skipping training. I'm pretty sure Tyson was to meet Holyfield later that year in Atlantic City. Buster fought out his skin that night and Tyson didn't.Buster hadn't done nothing as a fighter for anybody to think he would ever beat Tyson and that's why the odds were so big. Buster done nothing after the Tyson fight either which is why I say he got the Tyson fight at the right time.

 

Much the same as when Lewis got stopped by Rahman...Lewis took his eye off the prize...it happens

Both of them Allegedly unbeatable aswell,arrogance sometimes is really ignorance and they both learned a hard lesson. Edited February 26, 2015 by MickC