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[Simps 0]

And they went on to say

 

I do not believe this information is held in the public domain. As it could be misused

[Tremo 138]

_{I must admit that all my interactions with my FEO and the firearms administrative team here in Gwent have been spot on. I've always found them to be extremely helpful and understanding. This attitude promotes good working relationships between both parties.}

 

_{All I can say is that I'm glad that I don't live in Gloucestershire mate if this is what you have to work with.}

[charlie caller 3,654]

What a pile of tripe, so ask them how would a person who has the condition "land deemed suitable by the chief constable" on their ticket, which means you can shoot on any land that is passed for your calibre, provided you have authority to do so, is expected to find out if new ground is passed or not? Absolute crap mate, speak to BASC in the morning explain your situation to them and ask how to proceed, has any one else apart from BH enquired as to the status of a piece of ground lately? I have done it several times over the years, just rung up and asked about ......Farm and they have given me the information straight away over the phone, if this is a new trend, it is a very worrying one, as they are being obstructive for the sake of it, I will repeat again speak to BASC asap.

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It's pretty shocking to be honest. Their next reply reads

 

Dear Sir,

Please submit your application to us here, once your application is being processed/granted. The land will be checked for the calibre of weapon and quarry you are requesting.

[Tremo 138]

BASC.

[Simps 0]

Will BASC help even though I'm not a member?

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Further digging done and it appears that they will let anyone with an open certificate know whatever they want relating to land but if you don't have a ticket then you aren't party to anything!

 

They have said that if the land is checked and if it turns out that it isn't approved for the calibre I want that I can then request a refund and withdraw my application. All very odd.

[SportingShooter 0]

BASC usually ask for some sort of reference to your membership when you submit a query to them, sometimes they don't.

 

Seen as Tremo lives in Gwent which is on the border with Gloucestershire, ring Gwent police and ask them. It wouldn't be at all unusual to shoot across county boundaries.

 

Gloucestershire just seem to be making life difficult for themselves. If they answered the question and it was satisfactory then you'd submit a blasted application as they ask for, if it wasn't what you wanted, it saves them processing an application.

 

Boggles the mind.

[SportingShooter 0]

Further digging done and it appears that they will let anyone with an open certificate know whatever they want relating to land but if you don't have a ticket then you aren't party to anything!

 

They have said that if the land is checked and if it turns out that it isn't approved for the calibre I want that I can then request a refund and withdraw my application. All very odd.

 

Pointless letting someone with an open certificate know, they can shoot there anyway without even asking them.

 

Ask someone else. You could ring the Met and ask them, makes no difference.

[Simps 0]

So any force can tell me about any land in the UK?

[SportingShooter 0]

So any force can tell me about any land in the UK?

 

Yep.

 

Just have farmer's name, address and post code ready to give to them and all you have to ask is very simply "Please can I check the status of some new permission for what calibre it's passed for?"

 

No need for anything else.

[Simps 0]

Brilliant - really appreciate the help and advice. I'll try and call tomorrow.

[abarrett 462]

When you ask the firearms dept about new permission they will only tell you if the land is passed for the caliber you have

Because

If you only have a 22LR and they say it's passed for a 243 they don't want you thinking it's passed for 243 I might as well get a 243

Also they don't give info on land to non fac holders in case they are trying to cause a problem for someone

My force is staffordshire

[SportingShooter 0]

When you ask the firearms dept about new permission they will only tell you if the land is passed for the caliber you have

Because

If you only have a 22LR and they say it's passed for a 243 they don't want you thinking it's passed for 243 I might as well get a 243

Also they don't give info on land to non fac holders in case they are trying to cause a problem for someone

My force is staffordshire

 

What problems are they going to cause knowing a ground is passed for a .22LR or a .308? What would it reveal? It doesn't tell you who shoots there, who the landowner is (you'd know that already and already have the address) and it doesn't tell you the frequency of the shooting on the land either.

 

You wouldn't be able to acquire a .243 if you had no reason for it. Either you have the reason or you don't, it's not up to the police to stop you and contest your good reason when it's perfectly valid and the land is passed for it.

[charlie caller 3,654]

Totally agree SS, ground is passed for a certain calibre, on two main basis, the quarry the shooter is wishing to shoot, and of course, most importantly, if the ground is safe to use a certain calibre on, now anyone who uses firearms should be totally aware of the fact that if a shot is safe for a .22lr, it is equally safe for a .308, I.E if you do not have a completely safe backstop, you do not take a shot, simple as that. So when the police pass ground safe for a .22-250 but not a .243 for instance, they are not applying logic, they are making the rules up as they go, and this rule making is I suspect, what is occurring here, withholding information on certain ground as to its status regarding calibre suitability is of no benefit to anyone, I suggest you join BASC or another organisation as soon as possible, not only for the advice you seek/need from time to time, but the ten million pounds insurance you will be covered by, as others have advised, ring another force and ask them, as far as your own force is concerned, I stand by what I said earlier, write to the CC, and explain your situation, and your reason for requesting the information, and ask for an explanation, as to why you are not being provided with the information requested, and ask if this is now a standard police practice, across the board, or just your force.