Greengrass 201 Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 As the saying goes they,ll all quit on any given day. Here s one for you lads, anybody seen a dead game dog scratch ? That's unfair to the dogs of the past that I've taken their deaths. I don,t honestly think so, certain circumstances dictate what does and does nt happen, the example that Gnasher gives is a certain exampleSaying that those Scottish dogs seemed to overcome lives obstacles Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOKEL 2,216 Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 I think chasing hard mouthed killers could be what led to the demise of some of those tighter bred family dog's that have been mentioned earlier in this thread... Yokel. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOKEL 2,216 Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Tbh the vast majority of Bulldogs aren't dead game either, I you of the mould that there's degrees of gameness or of the thinking either game or not? Personally ive always been of the opinion that gameness is like the water level in a jar.....some so high it spills over the edge,some so low you barely see it......the majority of bulldogs fall somewhere in between Is gameness a gene which can be bred? If every dog has it in it too quit is gameness not more of an enviroment thing if thats the right word. Plenty of good proven dogs also never seem to be able to produce. Also sure plenty of quiters have gone on to produce. I guess breeding dogs is like a science in itself. Suppose i could watch a mayfield DVD lol. Just thought itll make a decent debate. I look at gameness as a trait rather than a gene....if it was a gene all dogs of every breed would have it to a degree,and they simply dont......the nature versus nurture debate has gone on for years and in my opinion you cant put in what nature left out be that making a game dog quit or a cur dog game its in the blood as they say.....Genetically there is absolutely no reason why a cur cannot produce equally as well or equally as badly as his game littermate.....as has been proven many times over the years. Was the shadow line anygood lads? Great thread Anybody? Not my cuppa tea but yes he produced good dogs i cant even remember the dog now was he a Two Toes dog or Pacman i forget now...Patrick/Anderson cross i know that much. pacman... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogFox123 1,379 Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Most of the kennels in Europe especially Eastern Europe don't really linebreed, they tend to breed best to best. Trouble is with that they won't get the consistency of traits. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greengrass 201 Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Most of the good ones don't live long enough in Eastern Europe, they are hard hard hard on their dogs, but I,d imagine the level of game ness they achieve is well above average, if there were any way of scoring such a thing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greengrass 201 Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 All they are looking for is winners not consistency I don't think mate Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dare 1,103 Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Is gameness a gene which can be bred? If every dog has it in it too quit is gameness not more of an enviroment thing if thats the right word. Plenty of good proven dogs also never seem to be able to produce. Also sure plenty of quiters have gone on to produce. I guess breeding dogs is like a science in itself. Suppose i could watch a mayfield DVD lol. Just thought itll make a decent debate.If gameness could be truly be bred for then there would be no curs.But I know one thing if I was into such things if I had the option of owning a hard biting cur with loads of ability or a super game dog with no ability and a weak bite I'd take the cur all day long.Yes has a performance dog but would you choose that hard biting cur to start your breeding program? I'd rather keep a cotton mouthed wrestler of a dog 1xGL...than knowingly feed a dog with one drop of cur blood in Just for debate purposes ill ask why? If every dog has it in it to quit. And curs can produce. Do you think gameness is something which can be bred? If so whats the formular? would put an end of all the debates. Two game dogs doesn't mean any game pups just like two curs could produce a whole litter of game dogs. Doesn't seem like there is a rule for producing game dogs. Suppose itll always be an impossible to answer question because of so many other factors that can come into play. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greengrass 201 Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 It's a chicken and egg question, if you could find the formula then it's game over. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AKA-BRINDLE 879 Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Is gameness a gene which can be bred? If every dog has it in it too quit is gameness not more of an enviroment thing if thats the right word. Plenty of good proven dogs also never seem to be able to produce. Also sure plenty of quiters have gone on to produce. I guess breeding dogs is like a science in itself. Suppose i could watch a mayfield DVD lol. Just thought itll make a decent debate.If gameness could be truly be bred for then there would be no curs.But I know one thing if I was into such things if I had the option of owning a hard biting cur with loads of ability or a super game dog with no ability and a weak bite I'd take the cur all day long.Yes has a performance dog but would you choose that hard biting cur to start your breeding program? I'd rather keep a cotton mouthed wrestler of a dog 1xGL...than knowingly feed a dog with one drop of cur blood in Just for debate purposes ill ask why? If every dog has it in it to quit. And curs can produce. Do you think gameness is something which can be bred? If so whats the formular? would put an end of all the debates. Two game dogs doesn't mean any game pups just like two curs could produce a whole litter of game dogs. Doesn't seem like there is a rule for producing game dogs. Suppose itll always be an impossible to answer question because of so many other factors that can come into play. Not all dogs quit...some go out dead game...some just never quit...im no expert breeder...but even i can see you have a better chance of passing on the trait of gameness...from a dog that is game...than breeding from a cur 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greengrass 201 Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 So breeding from a dead game dog would be ideal Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AKA-BRINDLE 879 Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 So breeding from a dead game dog would be ideal If you had the foresight to of taken straws for A.I...or have his/her proven offspring...because a dead game dog is dead 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greengrass 201 Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Not necessarily mate ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dunkanon 380 Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Is gameness a gene which can be bred? If every dog has it in it too quit is gameness not more of an enviroment thing if thats the right word. Plenty of good proven dogs also never seem to be able to produce. Also sure plenty of quiters have gone on to produce. I guess breeding dogs is like a science in itself. Suppose i could watch a mayfield DVD lol. Just thought itll make a decent debate.If gameness could be truly be bred for then there would be no curs.But I know one thing if I was into such things if I had the option of owning a hard biting cur with loads of ability or a super game dog with no ability and a weak bite I'd take the cur all day long.Yes has a performance dog but would you choose that hard biting cur to start your breeding program? I'd rather keep a cotton mouthed wrestler of a dog 1xGL...than knowingly feed a dog with one drop of cur blood in Just for debate purposes ill ask why? If every dog has it in it to quit. And curs can produce. Do you think gameness is something which can be bred? If so whats the formular? would put an end of all the debates. Two game dogs doesn't mean any game pups just like two curs could produce a whole litter of game dogs. Doesn't seem like there is a rule for producing game dogs. Suppose itll always be an impossible to answer question because of so many other factors that can come into play If a certain trait in this case gameness is what you desire then surely you breed from dogs that contain that specific quality.....you might get gamedogs bred from curs, but if you follow that practice then how many generations do you think it would take before you kept nothing but curs on your yard. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AKA-BRINDLE 879 Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Not necessarily mate ! ?...a dead game dog is one that takes its death rather than quit...its dead Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dunkanon 380 Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 I believe there may still be a few skipper bred dogs out there but they must surely be thin on the ground by now.A lot are cossed up with neilis blood. It was a successful cross for some people. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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