''proper'' Pit Bulls

[DogFox123 1,379]

I've lost count of the amount of times I've had lads telling me about their dead game lurchers.

Tbh the majority of Bulldogs aren't dead game.

[DogFox123 1,379]

I've lost count of the amount of times I've had lads telling me about their dead game lurchers.

Tbh the vast majority of Bulldogs aren't dead game either, I you of the mould that there's degrees of gameness or of the thinking either game or not?

[dare 1,103]

Is gameness a gene which can be bred? If every dog has it in it too quit is gameness not more of an enviroment thing if thats the right word. Plenty of good proven dogs also never seem to be able to produce. Also sure plenty of quiters have gone on to produce. I guess breeding dogs is like a science in itself. Suppose i could watch a mayfield DVD lol. Just thought itll make a decent debate.

[Quarter bull 240]

Was the shadow line anygood lads? Great thread

Anybody?

[Dunkanon 380]

Like him or loathe him, ed Reid produced the best dogs of their breed that Britain, perhaps Europe has ever seen .

Fact.

he produced some good dogs for sure, best in Britain and perhaps Europe?....have to disagree there mate.

[bird 9,864]

 

I've lost count of the amount of times I've had lads telling me about their dead game lurchers.

Tbh the vast majority of Bulldogs aren't dead game either, I you of the mould that there's degrees of gameness or of the thinking either game or not?

 

and putting a sighthound to it, waters it down even more, so on paper your only getting 4/8s gameness from the pit, and as you say some pure pits today, arnt like the game bulldogs from the 70-80s that were here then.!

[DogFox123 1,379]

Is gameness a gene which can be bred? If every dog has it in it too quit is gameness not more of an enviroment thing if thats the right word. Plenty of good proven dogs also never seem to be able to produce. Also sure plenty of quiters have gone on to produce. I guess breeding dogs is like a science in itself. Suppose i could watch a mayfield DVD lol. Just thought itll make a decent debate.

 

Gameness is the hardest trait to breed for and definitely the hardest to understand, of course it can be passed on but nobody fully understands it.

[gnasher16 30,025]

 

 

Tbh the vast majority of Bulldogs aren't dead game either, I you of the mould that there's degrees of gameness or of the thinking either game or not?

 

 

Personally ive always been of the opinion that gameness is like the water level in a jar.....some so high it spills over the edge,some so low you barely see it......the majority of bulldogs fall somewhere in between

 

Is gameness a gene which can be bred? If every dog has it in it too quit is gameness not more of an enviroment thing if thats the right word. Plenty of good proven dogs also never seem to be able to produce. Also sure plenty of quiters have gone on to produce. I guess breeding dogs is like a science in itself. Suppose i could watch a mayfield DVD lol. Just thought itll make a decent debate.

 

I look at gameness as a trait rather than a gene....if it was a gene all dogs of every breed would have it to a degree,and they simply dont......the nature versus nurture debate has gone on for years and in my opinion you cant put in what nature left out be that making a game dog quit or a cur dog game its in the blood as they say.....Genetically there is absolutely no reason why a cur cannot produce equally as well or equally as badly as his game littermate.....as has been proven many times over the years.

 

 

 

Was the shadow line anygood lads? Great thread

Anybody?

 

 

Not my cuppa tea but yes he produced good dogs i cant even remember the dog now was he a Two Toes dog or Pacman i forget now...Patrick/Anderson cross i know that much.

Edited February 19, 2015 by gnasher16

[Quarter bull 240]

Thanks for the reply gnash, any more info on shadow, thats the line of bull in my lurchers, an theve served me very well indeed, very game an loyal mutts.

[Greengrass 201]

As the saying goes they,ll all quit on any given day.

Here s one for you lads, anybody seen a dead game dog scratch ?

[downsouth 7,194]

Is gameness a gene which can be bred? If every dog has it in it too quit is gameness not more of an enviroment thing if thats the right word. Plenty of good proven dogs also never seem to be able to produce. Also sure plenty of quiters have gone on to produce. I guess breeding dogs is like a science in itself. Suppose i could watch a mayfield DVD lol. Just thought itll make a decent debate.

If gameness could be truly be bred for then there would be no curs.But I know one thing if I was into such things if I had the option of owning a hard biting cur with loads of ability or a super game dog with no ability and a weak bite I'd take the cur all day long.

[DogFox123 1,379]

As the saying goes they,ll all quit on any given day.

Here s one for you lads, anybody seen a dead game dog scratch ?

That's unfair to the dogs of the past that I've taken their deaths.

[gnasher16 30,025]

As the saying goes they,ll all quit on any given day.

 

 

The dog you mentioned earlier is a perfect example,every mistake that a dogman could make was made with Gnasher,rolled out virtually every weekend his nervous system was pretty much shot by the time his career started !......Would he have still quit if he,d been raised and schooled out correctly,who knows but you have to question why a ch bulldog suddenly quits on top after half hour............hence i agree they will all quit under the right circumstances.

 

But I know one thing if I was into such things if I had the option of owning a hard biting cur with loads of ability or a super game dog with no ability and a weak bite I'd take the cur all day long.

 

Against a top conditioner and handler ?......risky strategy that .......Im of the belief that a hard bite is like a boxers hard punch not only does it need to be delivered correctly to do real damage its far less damaging when energy is low.........so likewse if i was into such things give me a good old fashioned hold out ear dog in top condition to frustrate the life out of the hard biting cur and watch nature do what nature does.

 

 

Thanks for the reply gnash, any more info on shadow, thats the line of bull in my lurchers, an theve served me very well indeed, very game an loyal mutts.

 

I dont know too much about the dog mate and i dont keep mags/peds etc.....probably a little bit too recent to be going into details on offspring etc anyway.

Edited February 19, 2015 by gnasher16

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

Is gameness a gene which can be bred? If every dog has it in it too quit is gameness not more of an enviroment thing if thats the right word. Plenty of good proven dogs also never seem to be able to produce. Also sure plenty of quiters have gone on to produce. I guess breeding dogs is like a science in itself. Suppose i could watch a mayfield DVD lol. Just thought itll make a decent debate.

If gameness could be truly be bred for then there would be no curs.But I know one thing if I was into such things if I had the option of owning a hard biting cur with loads of ability or a super game dog with no ability and a weak bite I'd take the cur all day long.

Yes has a performance dog but would you choose that hard biting cur to start your breeding program?

[AKA-BRINDLE 879]

 

 

Is gameness a gene which can be bred? If every dog has it in it too quit is gameness not more of an enviroment thing if thats the right word. Plenty of good proven dogs also never seem to be able to produce. Also sure plenty of quiters have gone on to produce. I guess breeding dogs is like a science in itself. Suppose i could watch a mayfield DVD lol. Just thought itll make a decent debate.

If gameness could be truly be bred for then there would be no curs.But I know one thing if I was into such things if I had the option of owning a hard biting cur with loads of ability or a super game dog with no ability and a weak bite I'd take the cur all day long.

Yes has a performance dog but would you choose that hard biting cur to start your breeding program?

 

I'd rather keep a cotton mouthed wrestler of a dog 1xGL...than knowingly feed a dog with one drop of cur blood in