''proper'' Pit Bulls

[Greengrass 201]

I don,t personally think the Dutch were ahead of us, in fact I,d say the reverse was true. And having been over the water (not Holland) and seen some of the big operations over there I reckon that for whatever reasons, ( plenty of space ) being the main one they love feeding multitudes of dogs, they can't all be good and yet they love feeding 50,60,70 dogs, personally I can,t see the enjoyment in that, it would do my nut in.

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

 

At the time they were as good as any in Europe, we definitely had dogs as good as the likes of Holland etc.....

 

In terms of certain individual dogs i wouldnt argue......in terms of blood i would say we was way behind the Dutch.......which i think has been proven over time.

His most prolific dog Skipper was down from Stubblefields Buddy, the first Sporting Dog Journal's Grand Champion. They came down from a unique and fairly rare bloodline tbh but there performance was without doubt. Max beat an imported Limey dog that had beat a champion over the pond, the dogs were the real deal.

[richc12 84]

Mr zorg proper bulldog!!!!

[Greengrass 201]

 

 

At the time they were as good as any in Europe, we definitely had dogs as good as the likes of Holland etc.....

 

In terms of certain individual dogs i wouldnt argue......in terms of blood i would say we was way behind the Dutch.......which i think has been proven over time.

His most prolific dog Skipper was down from Stubblefields Buddy, the first Sporting Dog Journal's Grand Champion. They came down from a unique and fairly rare bloodline tbh but there performance was without doubt. Max beat an imported Limey dog that had beat a champion over the pond, the dogs were the real deal.

Are you talking about the dog they called "the Dentist " ?

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

 

 

At the time they were as good as any in Europe, we definitely had dogs as good as the likes of Holland etc.....

 

In terms of certain individual dogs i wouldnt argue......in terms of blood i would say we was way behind the Dutch.......which i think has been proven over time.

His most prolific dog Skipper was down from Stubblefields Buddy, the first Sporting Dog Journal's Grand Champion. They came down from a unique and fairly rare bloodline tbh but there performance was without doubt. Max beat an imported Limey dog that had beat a champion over the pond, the dogs were the real deal.

Are you talking about the dog they called "the Dentist " ?

Yep that's the one, I believe Max was pig fat for that match yet still defeated Smokey.

[gnasher16 30,025]

I don,t personally think the Dutch were ahead of us, in fact I,d say the reverse was true. And having been over the water (not Holland) and seen some of the big operations over there I reckon that for whatever reasons, ( plenty of space ) being the main one they love feeding multitudes of dogs, they can't all be good and yet they love feeding 50,60,70 dogs, personally I can,t see the enjoyment in that, it would do my nut in.

If Brits were indeed ahead in terms of blood why would you say there hasnt been a pure family bred dog over here for many years ?.....id be very surprised if there is a dog alive today in England with a true pedigree let alone a good pedigree......Like anything else quality speaks for itself when somethings good people preserve it as has been done with several lines.......it doesnt say a lot for British dogmen if there is virtually nothing left of great dogs from only 25/30 years ago which is a blink in historical terms.

As regards the big yards i agree......what was we saying about Ed Reid again

 

 

His most prolific dog Skipper was down from Stubblefields Buddy, the first Sporting Dog Journal's Grand Champion. They came down from a unique and fairly rare bloodline tbh but there performance was without doubt. Max beat an imported Limey dog that had beat a champion over the pond, the dogs were the real deal.

 

Whether you like the blood or not Skipper was 7x Kingfish so bred to produce sadly Reid didnt even realise the quality he had in such a pure family bred dog as Capone hence why you have to put a lot of his success breeding wise down to luck and being in the right place at the right time.......

As for the Max/Smokey thing like i said before if 30 years of arguing hasnt settled it i dont think we,re going to now so probably best left alone.

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

 

I don,t personally think the Dutch were ahead of us, in fact I,d say the reverse was true. And having been over the water (not Holland) and seen some of the big operations over there I reckon that for whatever reasons, ( plenty of space ) being the main one they love feeding multitudes of dogs, they can't all be good and yet they love feeding 50,60,70 dogs, personally I can,t see the enjoyment in that, it would do my nut in.

If Brits were indeed ahead in terms of blood why would you say there hasnt been a pure family bred dog over here for many years ?.....id be very surprised if there is a dog alive today in England with a true pedigree let alone a good pedigree......Like anything else quality speaks for itself when somethings good people preserve it as has been done with several lines.......it doesnt say a lot for British dogmen if there is virtually nothing left of great dogs from only 25/30 years ago which is a blink in historical terms.

As regards the big yards i agree......what was we saying about Ed Reid again

 

His most prolific dog Skipper was down from Stubblefields Buddy, the first Sporting Dog Journal's Grand Champion. They came down from a unique and fairly rare bloodline tbh but there performance was without doubt. Max beat an imported Limey dog that had beat a champion over the pond, the dogs were the real deal.

 

Whether you like the blood or not Skipper was 7x Kingfish so bred to produce sadly Reid didnt even realise the quality he had in such a pure family bred dog as Capone hence why you have to put a lot of his success breeding wise down to luck and being in the right place at the right time.......

As for the Max/Smokey thing like i said before if 30 years of arguing hasnt settled it i dont think we,re going to now so probably best left alone.

Oh without a doubt the dogs should have ended with someone more capable than Reid, great line of animals.

[Greengrass 201]

Slightly off topic but ed Reid must be a fair age now, if he's still alive.

One of smokeys wins was over a very highly rated dogman in the states who has produced and had many champions through his hands.....he rated smokey very highly.

[DogFox123 1,379]

Slightly off topic but ed Reid must be a fair age now, if he's still alive.

One of smokeys wins was over a very highly rated dogman in the states who has produced and had many champions through his hands.....he rated smokey very highly.

I think what Gnash was referring to is the match between Max and Smokey, apparently Smokey could have and should have won by foul as Max was knocked when it was his turn to scratch. The Limeys being good sports let it carry on because the handler was a newbie, no doubt though the better dog won as Max was over 10lb his best weight.

[DogFox123 1,379]

Take it your username is after another Limey dog Gnasher??

[gnasher16 30,025]

 

Oh without a doubt the dogs should have ended with someone more capable than Reid, great line of animals.

 

 

Thats my point nobody thought them worthy of preserving......didnt Bills owner get rid of all his Reid stuff to make way for Lady Pedro dogs.

 

 

I think what Gnash was referring to is the match between Max and Smokey, apparently Smokey could have and should have won by foul as Max was knocked when it was his turn to scratch. The Limeys being good sports let it carry on because the handler was a newbie, no doubt though the better dog won as Max was over 10lb his best weight.

 

Again,reasons can be seen as excuses and proper people dont make excuses for dogs Smokey stopped and thats that...whether him arriving in the Uk with heartworm had anything to do with it,whether him not being the same dog that beat Sinbad had anything to do with it who knows a lot of people thought he would walk through Max and so no amount of reasons/excuses change the outcome or the fact that Max was an outstanding bulldog.

 

Take it your username is after another Limey dog Gnasher??

Maybe

Edited February 18, 2015 by gnasher16

[Greengrass 201]

 

Oh without a doubt the dogs should have ended with someone more capable than Reid, great line of animals.

 

Thats my point nobody thought them worthy of preserving......didnt Bills owner get rid of all his Reid stuff to make way for Lady Pedro dogs.

 

I think what Gnash was referring to is the match between Max and Smokey, apparently Smokey could have and should have won by foul as Max was knocked when it was his turn to scratch. The Limeys being good sports let it carry on because the handler was a newbie, no doubt though the better dog won as Max was over 10lb his best weight.

 

Again,reasons can be seen as excuses and proper people dont make excuses for dogs Smokey stopped and thats that...whether him arriving in the Uk with heartworm had anything to do with it,whether him not being the same dog that beat Sinbad had anything to do with it who knows a lot of people thought he would walk through Max and so no amount of reasons/excuses change the outcome or the fact that Max was an outstanding bulldog.

 

Take it your username is after another Limey dog Gnasher??

 

Maybe

Don't say that Mr Gnasher ...did,nt your namesake end up quitting ?

[Greengrass 201]

Along with his litter comrades...

Incoming...

[Greengrass 201]

Just looking back on the gnasher litter they were like peas in a pod, which one was rated the best ? Dutch ?

[BGD 6,436]

 

I don,t personally think the Dutch were ahead of us, in fact I,d say the reverse was true. And having been over the water (not Holland) and seen some of the big operations over there I reckon that for whatever reasons, ( plenty of space ) being the main one they love feeding multitudes of dogs, they can't all be good and yet they love feeding 50,60,70 dogs, personally I can,t see the enjoyment in that, it would do my nut in.

If Brits were indeed ahead in terms of blood why would you say there hasnt been a pure family bred dog over here for many years ?.....id be very surprised if there is a dog alive today in England with a true pedigree let alone a good pedigree......Like anything else quality speaks for itself when somethings good people preserve it as has been done with several lines.......it doesnt say a lot for British dogmen if there is virtually nothing left of great dogs from only 25/30 years ago which is a blink in historical terms.

As regards the big yards i agree......what was we saying about Ed Reid again

 

 

Personally I think the quality of blood was there in the Reid dogs it's just that no one carried it on mainly due to the bandwagon jumping always looking for the next big thing rather than sticking with the blood they had and refining it over the years, basically the same thing that happened to the match Staffords when APBT started being imported. Not enough people buying British they all want the flashy American peds.

 

I'm a bit of a hypocrite though, the dog laying at my feet right now is down from blood imported from the continent