''proper'' Pit Bulls

[Greengrass 202]

Yeah Dare your right, chicken and egg answers can hide a multitude of sins, is he to be slated for bringing the dogs into the country in the first place ? Or thanked ?

[Greengrass 202]

 

Like him or loathe him, ed Reid produced the best dogs of their breed that Britain, perhaps Europe has ever seen .

Fact.

 

Not sure id call it a fact...its certainly a bold statement and an opinion id respect but not agree with personally.

Although you won,t

PRAY TELL

[dare 1,103]

If he didnt someone else would have, abit like selling dogs. I think the fact the breeds been illegal since ive been born has always made me abit anti breeder. More so with the prats who'd shove an advert up online and risk their dogs life or sell to anyone with the cash. Like you say like it or not he bred the dogs and they done what they done. He'd of took the cash even if they all went into pet homes and then he'd have the money but noone would know of the dogs. Think its the likes of a jock and others which got that line of dogs their name.

[gnasher16 30,256]

 

 

Like him or loathe him, ed Reid produced the best dogs of their breed that Britain, perhaps Europe has ever seen .

Fact.

Not sure id call it a fact...its certainly a bold statement and an opinion id respect but not agree with personally.

Yeah but you southern mob from the big smoke never did give the jocks the respect they deserved

 

Not everyone.......i just never understood how the work of some good dogmen created glory for somebody who never worked a dog in his life....im certainly not about to get into arguments that still go on 30 years later but the reality is Reid marketted a " brand " very well but was never any more than a business/shop and as such luck played a huge part in his success lets face it the Capone dog was a far better bred animal than those Kingfish dogs but Reid didnt have much understanding of bloodstock and huge numbers contributed to the success far more than testing/selection and an eye for a dog......taking numbers into account i wouldnt put Reid dogs anywhere near the best in Europe certainly not the ones bred off his yard.......much as i hate to use another mans phrase but i wholeheartedly agree with it......." The test of the dog is the match.....The test of the blood is time "......and where are those Skipper/Wise dogs today ?

[Hunterhartley 8]

crazy

[Greengrass 202]

I believe there may still be a few skipper bred dogs out there but they must surely be thin on the ground by now.

[downsouth 7,356]

 

 

 

Like him or loathe him, ed Reid produced the best dogs of their breed that Britain, perhaps Europe has ever seen .

Fact.

 

Not sure id call it a fact...its certainly a bold statement and an opinion id respect but not agree with personally.

Yeah but you southern mob from the big smoke never did give the jocks the respect they deserved

Not everyone.......i just never understood how the work of some good dogmen created glory for somebody who never worked a dog in his life....im certainly not about to get into arguments that still go on 30 years later but the reality is Reid marketted a " brand " very well but was never any more than a business/shop and as such luck played a huge part in his success lets face it the Capone dog was a far better bred animal than those Kingfish dogs but Reid didnt have much understanding of bloodstock and huge numbers contributed to the success far more than testing/selection and an eye for a dog......taking numbers into account i wouldnt put Reid dogs anywhere near the best in Europe certainly not the ones bred off his yard.......much as i hate to use another mans phrase but i wholeheartedly agree with it......." The test of the dog is the match.....The test of the blood is time "......and where are those Skipper/Wise dogs today ?

I said pretty much the same thing regarding numbers bred the other day on a different thread and was told I knew nothing about working bulldogs

[downsouth 7,356]

I believe there may still be a few skipper bred dogs out there but they must surely be thin on the ground by now.

A lot are cossed up with neilis blood.

[BGD 6,436]

 

 

 

 

Like him or loathe him, ed Reid produced the best dogs of their breed that Britain, perhaps Europe has ever seen .

Fact.

Not sure id call it a fact...its certainly a bold statement and an opinion id respect but not agree with personally.

Yeah but you southern mob from the big smoke never did give the jocks the respect they deserved

Not everyone.......i just never understood how the work of some good dogmen created glory for somebody who never worked a dog in his life....im certainly not about to get into arguments that still go on 30 years later but the reality is Reid marketted a " brand " very well but was never any more than a business/shop and as such luck played a huge part in his success lets face it the Capone dog was a far better bred animal than those Kingfish dogs but Reid didnt have much understanding of bloodstock and huge numbers contributed to the success far more than testing/selection and an eye for a dog......taking numbers into account i wouldnt put Reid dogs anywhere near the best in Europe certainly not the ones bred off his yard.......much as i hate to use another mans phrase but i wholeheartedly agree with it......." The test of the dog is the match.....The test of the blood is time "......and where are those Skipper/Wise dogs today ?

I said pretty much the same thing regarding numbers bred the other day on a different thread and was told I knew nothing about working bulldogs

 

 

Same thing goes for the famous American "fast lane" kennels, you produce 100s of pups a year the odd world beater is bound to pop up.

[downsouth 7,356]

 

 

 

 

 

Sure enough,MATE of mine visited one of the big name yards a few years back and reckoned the dogs didnt have names they had number tags on their collars.

Like him or loathe him, ed Reid produced the best dogs of their breed that Britain, perhaps Europe has ever seen .

Fact.

 

Not sure id call it a fact...its certainly a bold statement and an opinion id respect but not agree with personally.

Yeah but you southern mob from the big smoke never did give the jocks the respect they deserved

Not everyone.......i just never understood how the work of some good dogmen created glory for somebody who never worked a dog in his life....im certainly not about to get into arguments that still go on 30 years later but the reality is Reid marketted a " brand " very well but was never any more than a business/shop and as such luck played a huge part in his success lets face it the Capone dog was a far better bred animal than those Kingfish dogs but Reid didnt have much understanding of bloodstock and huge numbers contributed to the success far more than testing/selection and an eye for a dog......taking numbers into account i wouldnt put Reid dogs anywhere near the best in Europe certainly not the ones bred off his yard.......much as i hate to use another mans phrase but i wholeheartedly agree with it......." The test of the dog is the match.....The test of the blood is time "......and where are those Skipper/Wise dogs today ?

I said pretty much the same thing regarding numbers bred the other day on a different thread and was told I knew nothing about working bulldogs

Same thing goes for the famous American "fast lane" kennels, you produce 100s of pups a year the odd world beater is bound to pop up.

[downsouth 7,356]

Sure enough.A mate of mine visited one of the big name yards a few years ago and reckoned the dogs didnt have names they had number tags on their collars.

[gnasher16 30,256]

I believe there may still be a few skipper bred dogs out there but they must surely be thin on the ground by now.

 

" thin on the ground ".....theres your answer.....some bloodlines that carried not even a tenth of the number of Reid dogs have aged and been preserved like a fine wine yet the Reid dogs were left to go to ruin.

 

 

 

I said pretty much the same thing regarding numbers bred the other day on a different thread and was told I knew nothing about working bulldogs

 

 

Some people dont look further than the end of their nose its like Jeep being a 17 point rom dog, so what the dog was lined to literally thousands of bitches over his lifetime,compared to a 7 point rom who only bred 7 bitches ....it doesnt take a brain surgeon to work out which the better producer was !!

Edited February 18, 2015 by gnasher16

[downsouth 7,356]

 

I believe there may still be a few skipper bred dogs out there but they must surely be thin on the ground by now.

 

" thin on the ground ".....theres your answer.....some bloodlines that carried not even a tenth of the number of Reid dogs have aged and been preserved like a fine wine yet the Reid dogs were left to go to ruin.

 

 

I said pretty much the same thing regarding numbers bred the other day on a different thread and was told I knew nothing about working bulldogs

 

Some people dont look further than the end of their nose its like Jeep being a 17 point rom dog, so what the dog was lined to literally thousands of bitches over his lifetime,compared to a 7 point rom who only bred 7 bitches ....it doesnt take a brain surgeon to work out which the better producer was !!

I've always said that the ROM list would be more credible if it was done one percentages.Frisco was another,top of the ROM list in the hands of a puppy farmer.

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

 

Like him or loathe him, ed Reid produced the best dogs of their breed that Britain, perhaps Europe has ever seen .

Fact.

Not sure id call it a fact...its certainly a bold statement and an opinion id respect but not agree with personally.

At the time they were as good as any in Europe, we definitely had dogs as good as the likes of Holland etc..... Edited February 18, 2015 by DogFox123

[gnasher16 30,256]

 

At the time they were as good as any in Europe, we definitely had dogs as good as the likes of Holland etc.....

 

In terms of certain individual dogs i wouldnt argue......in terms of blood i would say we was way behind the Dutch.......which i think has been proven over time.