fireman 10,934 Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 These Plummer threads are getting boring now everyone turns the same way! Maybe if there was a ratting section, instead of putting them in EARTHDOG section, they might have a more positive outcome! As nearly all the Plummer threads are of ratting not EARTHWORK! The reason i got a plummer is they are a multi purpose terrier more than most others are,ok earthwork is the main reason for keeping a working terrier but not many folk have lots of earthwork to go at so use a terrier that can turn it's hand to other task's easier than the more usual breeds of terrier.Not many pats or lakies will turn their hands to ferreting or bushing or even other tasks where they have to think a bit more but i have found my plummer can and does,i have well bred russells for my earth work and they do me just fine but i know if there's a tight spot and there's a fox at home then my plummer is the one who get the collar put on her and is dropped in without worry of failier or worry about hurting her and at 8 years old she is getting on in plummer years but she's here for a job and ,in fact my life with a plummer ain't broke so i don't need to fix it?.. As with all dogs and the types of dog it's what suits us really 1 Link to post
Sadie 55 Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 Not trying to cause any arguments but would you say the plummers used for earth work are one off''s or ones that have had the chances and most out of the litters would do the same if given the chance? Link to post
mango 343 Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 Not trying to cause any arguments but would you say the plummers used for earth work are one off''s or ones that have had the chances and most out of the litters would do the same if given the chance? as i said in a previous post the dog i had was first class,about 5yrs later we had a dog and 2 bitches, the dog was plummer marked the bitches solid tan,the dog was overcooked as a youngster and was sold back but i heard he put his poor entering behind him and turned into a solid worker.the one bitch was a cracking terrier would work anything and kill a fox,the other bitch did'nt turn out to be any good for earthwork and was put down.there was another dog in the litter who also worked. so 3 out of 4 worked which is'nt to bad,no better and no worse than any other type of terrier. i will add that i am going back i think to the mid eighties,what they are like now i have no idea. ramble over. Link to post
rob84 112 Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 The Plummer we have in our team can't be faulted for what he does. I'd put him in any earth. I compare him to a good Russell. Uses his voice but won't be pushed around. I'm not a Plummer or Russell fan personaly as I like my black stuff. But that little dog came out the box more then any other dog this season. And has accounted for more foxes then any other terrier we have. He is a valuable tool. But I would only want one in my kennel personally. I have one bitch exactly the same situation works week in week out finds anywhere, had a lot with her. Link to post
bunny tickler 876 Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 i dont have a problem with any breed of terrier if it does its job ,being bushing or ratting or earth work . as long as the owners happy & the dogs good & honest each to their own ,theres no need to bicker ,we are all in the same game so why fall out , in my earlier post i said i didnt like plummer i didnt or have never said anything bad about his type , we all love our dogs & none would like anyone calling them ,so come on lads stick together 3 Link to post
downsouth 7,356 Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 These Plummer threads are getting boring now everyone turns the same way! Maybe if there was a ratting section, instead of putting them in EARTHDOG section, they might have a more positive outcome! As nearly all the Plummer threads are of ratting not EARTHWORK! The reason i got a plummer is they are a multi purpose terrier more than most others are,ok earthwork is the main reason for keeping a working terrier but not many folk have lots of earthwork to go at so use a terrier that can turn it's hand to other task's easier than the more usual breeds of terrier.Not many pats or lakies will turn their hands to ferreting or bushing or even other tasks where they have to think a bit more but i have found my plummer can and does,i have well bred russells for my earth work and they do me just fine but i know if there's a tight spot and there's a fox at home then my plummer is the one who get the collar put on her and is dropped in without worry of failier or worry about hurting her and at 8 years old she is getting on in plummer years but she's here for a job and ,in fact my life with a plummer ain't broke so i don't need to fix it?..As with all dogs and the types of dog it's what suits us really Thats rubbish,Patterdales and Lakelands can bush,rat,ferret and do many other tasks it's just that most are never given the opportunity to show what they can do in fact a large percentage of working terriers have probably got intelligence than their owners. 5 Link to post
Onlyworkmatters 1,584 Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 These Plummer threads are getting boring now everyone turns the same way! Maybe if there was a ratting section, instead of putting them in EARTHDOG section, they might have a more positive outcome! As nearly all the Plummer threads are of ratting not EARTHWORK!The reason i got a plummer is they are a multi purpose terrier more than most others are,ok earthwork is the main reason for keeping a working terrier but not many folk have lots of earthwork to go at so use a terrier that can turn it's hand to other task's easier than the more usual breeds of terrier.Not many pats or lakies will turn their hands to ferreting or bushing or even other tasks where they have to think a bit more but i have found my plummer can and does,i have well bred russells for my earth work and they do me just fine but i know if there's a tight spot and there's a fox at home then my plummer is the one who get the collar put on her and is dropped in without worry of failier or worry about hurting her and at 8 years old she is getting on in plummer years but she's here for a job and ,in fact my life with a plummer ain't broke so i don't need to fix it?..As with all dogs and the types of dog it's what suits us really Thats rubbish,Patterdales and Lakelands can bush,rat,ferret and do many other tasks it's just that most are never given the opportunity to show what they can do in fact a large percentage of working terriers have probably got intelligence than their owners. Almost word for word what I was going to post Link to post
Squirrel_Basher 17,100 Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 These Plummer threads are getting boring now everyone turns the same way! Maybe if there was a ratting section, instead of putting them in EARTHDOG section, they might have a more positive outcome! As nearly all the Plummer threads are of ratting not EARTHWORK! The reason i got a plummer is they are a multi purpose terrier more than most others are,ok earthwork is the main reason for keeping a working terrier but not many folk have lots of earthwork to go at so use a terrier that can turn it's hand to other task's easier than the more usual breeds of terrier.Not many pats or lakies will turn their hands to ferreting or bushing or even other tasks where they have to think a bit more but i have found my plummer can and does,i have well bred russells for my earth work and they do me just fine but i know if there's a tight spot and there's a fox at home then my plummer is the one who get the collar put on her and is dropped in without worry of failier or worry about hurting her and at 8 years old she is getting on in plummer years but she's here for a job and ,in fact my life with a plummer ain't broke so i don't need to fix it?..As with all dogs and the types of dog it's what suits us really So Plummers are pretty elite then mate ,have more brains than your avarage terrier is that what your saying . Link to post
marshman 7,758 Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 Guy int pub is asking if any of the men who dig to there terriers more than anything else has ever give there digging dogs chance at other graft? Genuine question an no hidden reasons? I have and they work the same as any other terrier . 3 Link to post
downsouth 7,356 Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 Guy int pub is asking if any of the men who dig to there terriers more than anything else has ever give there digging dogs chance at other graft? Genuine question an no hidden reasons?Every terrier I've ever owned has been allowed to bush rabbits and I've never had a problem with them messing with rabbits to ground I've also ratted with them when the opportunity arose and the brown bitch I my aviator also worked under hawks and was no less off a digging terrier for it.None of mine worked with ferrets but that's because I've no interest in ferreting but a mate of mine who used to come on here as Slips has had a few proper digging dogs (blacks)over the years that were as good as any at the ferreting job. 4 Link to post
fireman 10,934 Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 These Plummer threads are getting boring now everyone turns the same way! Maybe if there was a ratting section, instead of putting them in EARTHDOG section, they might have a more positive outcome! As nearly all the Plummer threads are of ratting not EARTHWORK!The reason i got a plummer is they are a multi purpose terrier more than most others are,ok earthwork is the main reason for keeping a working terrier but not many folk have lots of earthwork to go at so use a terrier that can turn it's hand to other task's easier than the more usual breeds of terrier.Not many pats or lakies will turn their hands to ferreting or bushing or even other tasks where they have to think a bit more but i have found my plummer can and does,i have well bred russells for my earth work and they do me just fine but i know if there's a tight spot and there's a fox at home then my plummer is the one who get the collar put on her and is dropped in without worry of failier or worry about hurting her and at 8 years old she is getting on in plummer years but she's here for a job and ,in fact my life with a plummer ain't broke so i don't need to fix it?..As with all dogs and the types of dog it's what suits us really So Plummers are pretty elite then mate ,have more brains than your avarage terrier is that what your saying . Here we go and i ain't going to go over old boring ground again,but i'll tell you something of all the terriers from the famous lines i've seen work like nuttal/wheeler,parks,stevens and gouldy there is no way on earth i'd swap my plummer for any of them, she can do what they did and in a few cases a whole lot better and more as they were one job dogs..You know proper digging dogs . I ain't saying i got anything special or plummers rock the world but this old one of mine has done me proud and i'll stand by her past deeds at work and the sport she has given me and others ,knock the breed all you like but my eyes don't lie to me and i've yet to see a better allround sporting terrier than a plummer.. 5 Link to post
keith j 1,089 Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 These Plummer threads are getting boring now everyone turns the same way! Maybe if there was a ratting section, instead of putting them in EARTHDOG section, they might have a more positive outcome! As nearly all the Plummer threads are of ratting not EARTHWORK!ITS CALLED EARTH DOG & TERRIER DISCUSSION ,maybe there should be a section for ' EGO ' ,or maybe you should of called yourself 15 feet down you might get more respect .if you don't like don't post simple...all the same that's me out of here atb keith j. Hahaha I'm not after respect off anybody on here! I don't claim to have supper dogs! Unlike all you Plummer lads on here! Put ur dummy back in and enjoy working (ratting)you wonder plummers Funny though mate these Plummer threads are that boring your always on them ,but its the same old shite from people like you sitting on the fence having your little digs,personally mate i don't give a shit what dogs people work or what they work,as its all to be enjoyed .No my Plummers ain't supper dogs but are damn good at there jobs and get out there doing it,what dogs do you keep and what do you work them on ?be nice to here, maybe start a thread and share your days out,atb keith j, 3 Link to post
Cleanspade 3,324 Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 to the guys that get fed up with the plummer threads. fair comment. i get fed up with the same old. old nuttal new nuttal . and the ken gould threads and the middleton pish that has been done to death. . the thread is plummer terrier it clearly states it. . So why come on and moan about them being in this section, i still consider myself a russell man that has a couple of plummers they get a bad rep due to the fact they are good ratters. i think the reason they dont get as much earthwork is due to the owners more than the dogs . lets face it they have a good rep for ratting this in its self places them in suitable homes. for ratting. same as gould or nuttal dogs generally end up in homes that want dogs for earthwork. there is also a large element that are in there to make a coin and they are tailor made for the show scene. the ones that see earthwork are the ones that get used as general pesters. and there are some working to ground to a reasonable standard. i often wonder what direction the breed would have gone if it didnt have the plummer cross to bare. and more of them got tested. as a ps one of the best top dogs ive seen on top was a black terrier of good breeding. far to foolhardy below but a cracking little busher /gundog. due to being brought up with a young fella that didnt know she shouldnt be good at these things no doubt. give a dog a bad name. eh...................... 11 Link to post
marshman 7,758 Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 to the guys that get fed up with the plummer threads. fair comment. i get fed up with the same old. old nuttal new nuttal . and the ken gould threads and the middleton pish that has been done to death. . the thread is plummer terrier it clearly states it. . So why come on and moan about them being in this section, i still consider myself a russell man that has a couple of plummers they get a bad rep due to the fact they are good ratters. i think the reason they dont get as much earthwork is due to the owners more than the dogs . lets face it they have a good rep for ratting this in its self places them in suitable homes. for ratting. same as gould or nuttal dogs generally end up in homes that want dogs for earthwork. there is also a large element that are in there to make a coin and they are tailor made for the show scene. the ones that see earthwork are the ones that get used as general pesters. and there are some working to ground to a reasonable standard. i often wonder what direction the breed would have gone if it didnt have the plummer cross to bare. and more of them got tested. as a ps one of the best top dogs ive seen on top was a black terrier of good breeding. far to foolhardy below but a cracking little busher /gundog. due to being brought up with a young fella that didnt know she shouldnt be good at these things no doubt. give a dog a bad name. eh...................... v good common sense post ! Link to post
stormyboy 1,352 Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 to the guys that get fed up with the plummer threads. fair comment. i get fed up with the same old. old nuttal new nuttal . and the ken gould threads and the middleton pish that has been done to death. . the thread is plummer terrier it clearly states it. . So why come on and moan about them being in this section, i still consider myself a russell man that has a couple of plummers they get a bad rep due to the fact they are good ratters. i think the reason they dont get as much earthwork is due to the owners more than the dogs . lets face it they have a good rep for ratting this in its self places them in suitable homes. for ratting. same as gould or nuttal dogs generally end up in homes that want dogs for earthwork. there is also a large element that are in there to make a coin and they are tailor made for the show scene. the ones that see earthwork are the ones that get used as general pesters. and there are some working to ground to a reasonable standard. i often wonder what direction the breed would have gone if it didnt have the plummer cross to bare. and more of them got tested. as a ps one of the best top dogs ive seen on top was a black terrier of good breeding. far to foolhardy below but a cracking little busher /gundog. due to being brought up with a young fella that didnt know she shouldnt be good at these things no doubt. give a dog a bad name. eh...................... A VERY good question cleanspade. (Though someone did request a name change once I'm told, god forbid lol ) Link to post
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