heritage 202 Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 Following an earlier conversation I had with a friend it became obvious that the 120-2 has recently been removed from the stao deeming there use illegal...... Anyone able to shed a little more light on the subject ? Anyone know why they have been removed ? Quote Link to post
J Darcy 5,871 Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 I didn't think they could remove a trap until the next time the statue is updated?I've got a dozen on them here and they're the most powerful, BG there is in the Uk IMO. How can they pass and then remove them??? Quote Link to post
heritage 202 Posted February 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 I really don't know and I may be wrong but having had a quick look this morning a few of the old and outdated traps are still listed but I couldn't see the 120-2......... Might just be me being daft... Quote Link to post
EDDIE B 3,166 Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 Any more info on this lads, just outa interest? Quote Link to post
randombadger 26 Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 A trap can only be removed from the Spring Traps Approval Order if a new order is issued or a 'variation' is issued (i.e. that modifies the current order). Maybe I'm missing something but are you sure the 120 -2 ever been on the stao? It certainly isn't on the 1975 one, the 1995 one or the 2012 one that replaced it (or on any of the intervening 'variations' from 1982, 1988, 2007, 2008 or 2009). The Scottish and NI instruments just essentially mimic the English ones (although Scotland dropped the Aldritch on the last update) and as far as I know none list a 120. Here's a list of all the relevant legislation: ( http://www.legislation.gov.uk/title/spring%20traps%20?sort=type ) Looks like it hasn't come off because it's never been on.... well for thirty years at least. Hope you haven't been using them! 1 Quote Link to post
heritage 202 Posted February 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 I don't use 120-2's as I alway considered the double springs to be unnecessary but like yourself I have checked every STAO and all the relevant variations and it seems as though they have never been listed....the origional conversation I had and the reason for this post came about after noticing that several companies in the uk sell them and state they are legal to use.... So after looking into things a little more I can only come to the conclusion that the use of 120-2's is illegal and the company's that are selling them for legal use are Not only mis-informed themselves but there also misleading there customers. I asked the question as I hoped to clear things up once and for all as I know the traps are reasonably popular and many people may well have spent there hard earned cash on traps that can't be legally used..... Quote Link to post
EDDIE B 3,166 Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 Its strange! The Victor 120 has been mentioned as been legal in the UK, for years now! As said, trapping company's such as UK Traps mention that the Victor 120-2 are legal, so where did this come from? Couldn't be just pulled outa mid-air! Its too specific, must be something behind it! I do have a couple of these but seldom use them! Bit ackward with the bouble spring, so only use them in box's! Quote Link to post
J Darcy 5,871 Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 I have thought they were legal for ages too. So where has this understanding come from? Have they been passed or are companys making out that the 120-2 is a clone?? Quote Link to post
OldTrapCollector 377 Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 Yes it is classed as a clone (I think NE actually stated it somewhere specifically), so it is not required to be listed on the STAO 2 Quote Link to post
J Darcy 5,871 Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 Is a Bellisle 110 also a clone??? Quote Link to post
EDDIE B 3,166 Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 Is a Bellisle 110 also a clone??? You wish JD! It should be! Their one powerful trap! Quote Link to post
OldTrapCollector 377 Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 I am not sure, I don't think that question has been asked - perhaps you could engage with NE and see? Belisle traps are so much nicer traps IMO - so it would be good to hear that are considered clones under the statute Quote Link to post
OldTrapCollector 377 Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 DEFRA response on the 120-2 trap Re: your query about the Victor Conibear 120-2 It is approved for the purpose of killing or taking grey quirrels, mink, rabbits, stoats, weasels, rats, mice and other small ground vermin and must be set in a natural or artifical tunnel which is suitable for the purpose.In 1997, the list of traps approved under the Spring Traps Approval Order 1995 was amended to include clones of types approved under the 1995 Order, which included the Victor Conibears.The list of traps approved was amended again in 2007, which included the following for mink against mink: Kania 2500 and Solway Spring Trap Mk6. 3 Quote Link to post
heritage 202 Posted February 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 Thanks for that OTC In all honesty, I'm pleased to finally have an answer to my question and even more pleased for those that own 120-2's... I think this just goes to prove what a mess the stao is as once again it's show itself as being as clear as mud.. My understanding was that in order for a trap to be legal it had to be shown on the stao by both type and manufacturer..... It still begs the question as to why it isn't listed in its own right rather than as a variation dating back almost 18 years and also what other traps are approved and hidden away under some old & out dated variation..... Thanks all for your contribution Quote Link to post
heritage 202 Posted February 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 Hang on,.... We're not done yet There have been further discoverys regarding the traps legality...... The plot thickens ! Quote Link to post
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