3/4 grey 1/4 collie

[sighthound1811 6]

a mixture of a golf course,cemetary and very hilly open grassland bordered with dense patches of woodland...was thinking of the collie as it is easy to train as you said because where i'm moving house to is over run with deer where i'll be running the dogs an i'm not interested in deer..just rabbits

Not sure I've read this right, are you saying your thinking of Collie crosses because A, your only interested in Rabbits? Which is fare enough. A good Collie cross will do you proud on the humble bunny and B because they won't have it in them to tackle Deer. I can assure that the do have the necessary minerals to take Deer as I'm sure many on this site will testify.

 

If you don't mind me asking why are you not considering a 1/2 bred? 1/2 breds have plenty of pace to cope with rabbits, have more stamina than 3/4 breds and are generally much tougher physically.

 

 

i know were you are comming from magpie but 1/2 breeds even the quickest of lurchers struggle on a good golf course rabbit. and as the chap says he is mostly going to be hunting on golf courses so maybe if he had a quicker dog something with a bit more pace he would be in with a better chance, i find that on golf courses a half bred collie cross just dosent have that last gear to get that extra few yards to pick up the rabbit i am in no way slateing collie crosses just i think thay lack that last gear well the ones i have seen run anyway all the best w.b

its fast on the golf courses i know what you mean about that extra last gear..seen some dogs left in a rabbits trail on some courses because its such fast ground an there is lots of cover for them to dive into

[socks 32,253]

So says the voice of experience some of the 3/4 bred dogs ive seen have been humongus no good at rabbits and no wind i think you will find hancock and plummer found this to be true also.

 

strangely enough i have got a little experience in the collie based blood lined dogs ... and your statements are utter nonsence .... yes bitches are generealy smaller in MOST breeds of dogs but that doesnt mean that they are leaner ... you can have dogs just as lean as bitches just slightly higher in the leg ... as for saying taht most 3/4 bred dogs are to heavy and large to catch rabbits what a crock of s h i t a regular sized track greyhounds will catch rabbits with ease so how in the hell by having a 1/4 collie in them will taht sudenly make them heavily built and to large to be proficient rabbiters .... again just because a dog is large why an earth would it suffer from limited wind please tell me because i am all ears ..........

[oldblueeye 0]

a lot of the threequater bred dogs are too heavy and large to be proficient rabbiters and its the bigger heavier specimins that suffer with limited wind seen it many times.

 

I've got to agree with Socks on this one, i've never heard so much rubbish

 

On rabbits

and as for lack of wind

Cheers

OBE

Edited November 5, 2007 by oldblueeye

[Guest Frank]

Nice pics OB.

[john hubery 9]

I have never been a lover of large dogs , and I keep hearing how large dog are no good on rabbits, my thoughts are if it can get its head to a food bowl why not a rabbit, has for 1/4 collies being too heavy to make a rabbiting dog,I have seen pure collies catch rabbits, not on a golf course, but on land where they can hunt up and find there own rabbits, a man I rabbit with at the moment works a malinois[ belgian shepard] when rabbits are bolted for the dogs she is not far behind when my 3/8 collie snaps up a bunny but through the day she will find and catch many rabbits her self to even the score, so there is no reason why a first or second cross colliewill not make a good rabbiting dog

[juckler123 707]

Some of the 3/4 bred dogs ive owned and seen cant cut it no matter what you say they burn up quick believe me when they first became in fashion there was plenty about and they just couldnt do it just about as much stamina as a greyhound o.k for about ten runs on rabbits and some of these were owned by good dog lads nurtured and entered properly.

Dont get me wrong the smaller dogs and bitches sometimes had the wind but a lot werent blessed in the stamina department,

Its the same with any 3/4 bred even putting a lurcher strain back to a greyhound you will lose wind and sometimes greatly so.

Personally i wouldnt want anything 3/4 bred for that reason

You can have all your theories of how they gonna throw but in the cold light of day when youve been out half an hour on the lamp and its time to go home and youve just spent the last twelve months for nothing better than a greyhound be my guest.

Ive seen some great 3/4 breds but all were the smaller type and i stand by it 100%

[Guest SJM]

youve just spent the last twelve months for nothing better than a greyhound be my guest.

 

That was exactly how I felt about the pup I reared what a waste of time and so disheartening as he was a great pup in every other way, he just had no stamina and burnt out too fast. I cant decide whether to chance it with the 3/4 cross again, its a lot of work to get nothing at the end of it if the cross doesnt throw the right way

[Magpie 102]

a mixture of a golf course,cemetary and very hilly open grassland bordered with dense patches of woodland...was thinking of the collie as it is easy to train as you said because where i'm moving house to is over run with deer where i'll be running the dogs an i'm not interested in deer..just rabbits

Not sure I've read this right, are you saying your thinking of Collie crosses because A, your only interested in Rabbits? Which is fare enough. A good Collie cross will do you proud on the humble bunny and B because they won't have it in them to tackle Deer. I can assure that the do have the necessary minerals to take Deer as I'm sure many on this site will testify.

 

If you don't mind me asking why are you not considering a 1/2 bred? 1/2 breds have plenty of pace to cope with rabbits, have more stamina than 3/4 breds and are generally much tougher physically.

 

 

i know were you are comming from magpie but 1/2 breeds even the quickest of lurchers struggle on a good golf course rabbit. and as the chap says he is mostly going to be hunting on golf courses so maybe if he had a quicker dog something with a bit more pace he would be in with a better chance, i find that on golf courses a half bred collie cross just dosent have that last gear to get that extra few yards to pick up the rabbit i am in no way slateing collie crosses just i think thay lack that last gear well the ones i have seen run anyway all the best w.b

The lad never mentioned whether he was lamping, ferreting or bushing his golf courses. I personally wouldn't bother lamping them even if I had permission, I'd rather ferret them and I don't think you'll find to many grounds man that would be happy with you running your dog all over his well manicured greens. I could be wrong of course.

When I first started out as a young lad I owned two small Whippet type grews that were absolute lightning. Both dogs regularly ran Greyhound qualifying times at the local flapping track and won plenty of straight races at country fairs however, even these dogs struggled to come to terms with rabbits on golf courses and playing fields.

Its very difficult for a dog to dig it's feet in on the turns and getting grip for acceleration on golf courses unlike arable fields which I would rather run on every time. Rabbits accelerate at an unbelievable speed across short grass and will test the very fastest of lurchers.

Just to add my two penneth on the height issue. To say three quarter breds are often to big to make god rabbiting dogs is a little short sighted. One of the best rabbit dogs I've owned was 26.5tts, not overly huge but big enough. She was well adept at taking rabbits by day and night. I also have a friend that would testify to the lamping skills of her first cross Deerhound/Greyhound which stood at, I believe 29.5tts I could be wrong and I'm sure she'll put me right if I am.

In short any dog given plenty of opportunity will adapt it's self to the task of catching rabbits what ever size it is.

[socks 32,253]

Some of the 3/4 bred dogs ive owned and seen cant cut it no matter what you say they burn up quick believe me when they first became in fashion there was plenty about and they just couldnt do it just about as much stamina as a greyhound o.k for about ten runs on rabbits and some of these were owned by good dog lads nurtured and entered properly.

Dont get me wrong the smaller dogs and bitches sometimes had the wind but a lot werent blessed in the stamina department,

Its the same with any 3/4 bred even putting a lurcher strain back to a greyhound you will lose wind and sometimes greatly so.

Personally i wouldnt want anything 3/4 bred for that reason

You can have all your theories of how they gonna throw but in the cold light of day when youve been out half an hour on the lamp and its time to go home and youve just spent the last twelve months for nothing better than a greyhound be my guest.

Ive seen some great 3/4 breds but all were the smaller type and i stand by it 100%

 

so are you saying that the smaller type 3/4 collie greys had stamina ??? or are you saying that smaller type crosses like 1/4 beddy 3/4 grey have more stamina ??? ............

[sighthound1811 6]

"The lad never mentioned whether he was lamping, ferreting or bushing his golf courses. "

 

just moochin about..the groundsman are happy enough to let us get on with things.....we only frequent the golf course now an again...just to get the dogs some very fast runs...cheers chris...

[juckler123 707]

Some of the 3/4 bred dogs ive owned and seen cant cut it no matter what you say they burn up quick believe me when they first became in fashion there was plenty about and they just couldnt do it just about as much stamina as a greyhound o.k for about ten runs on rabbits and some of these were owned by good dog lads nurtured and entered properly.

Dont get me wrong the smaller dogs and bitches sometimes had the wind but a lot werent blessed in the stamina department,

Its the same with any 3/4 bred even putting a lurcher strain back to a greyhound you will lose wind and sometimes greatly so.

Personally i wouldnt want anything 3/4 bred for that reason

You can have all your theories of how they gonna throw but in the cold light of day when youve been out half an hour on the lamp and its time to go home and youve just spent the last twelve months for nothing better than a greyhound be my guest.

Ive seen some great 3/4 breds but all were the smaller type and i stand by it 100%

 

so are you saying that the smaller type 3/4 collie greys had stamina ??? or are you saying that smaller type crosses like 1/4 beddy 3/4 grey have more stamina ??? ............

 

Socks you can keep on and on i clearly stated what i meant and i am talking from experience i must have bred and seen over twenty litters and seen a hell of a lot of 3/4 breds over the years since then and what i said is a genuine observatiom which i put forward the lad wanted to run rabbits on fast grass something i do a lot of.

A big 3/4 bred will fade fast in not many runs compared to the smaller bitches and smaller dogs why this is the case i

havent a clue but it is what more can i say.

Im glad youve mentioned the terrier crosses as they do seem to have wind when 3/4 bred but having only ran three 3/4 greyhound terrier crosses it woukld be unfair to comment but they could all do twenty plus on the lamp three or four nights a week so does their stamina come through bettter.id say it could well do theres some great dogs been bred from terrier linage as you already know so we will have to agree to disagree on this one.

If i were you sighthound1811 id be looking for something line bred from good working stock thats been outcrossed to a greyhound whipet for fast grass or a greyhound whippet line if you need a tel no pm me i know someone who may be able to sort you out

My fast grass dog 7th generation line bred collie greyhound greyhound whippet with a tiny anount of deerhound a couple of generations back.

Edited November 7, 2007 by juckler123

[johnnyboy28 1]

I have got a bitch who's Dam and Sire are both 1st cross beddy x whippets (picture to the left)

She can run all day and all night

she has also beaten many a whippet coursing so has plenty of speed

perfect for rabbits i think

Edited November 7, 2007 by johnnyboy28

[colliejohn 840]

again its horses for courses, i have to agree with juckler123, on his points regarding 3/4 breds, they don,t have enough wind for a hard nights lamping, or retreiving a number of shot hares, they are to large , how many 3/4 breds do you see what level out 23/24 inch not that many, they are just to greyhoundy and thats a fact, they aren,t the most agile of dogs either as say a 3/4 reverse, or a first cross, which are better suited to mooching and ferreting work, but thats just my opinion, good luck with whatever cross you decide. regards collie john.

[Guest SJM]

What you have to remember John is that not all reverse 3/4 breds are as racy in shape as your bitch. I have bred a few litters of 3/4 collies over the years, and seen a few bred by others, yours is for want of a better word, a bit of a one off Most of the reverse 3/4s I have seen resemble collies more than greyhounds and I think youve been extremely fortunate in the way yours has thrown. I would always choose a half bred over a reverse 3/4 as the majority of reverse 3/4s are just fast leggy collies. I admit I havent seen your bitch work and Im just judging off what youve told me about her and pics I have seen. The reverse 3/4s I have seen work, JTs Libby and PDs Maggie were both favouring the collie in looks and running style, and both struggled to come on terms with rabbits that got a bit of a start in the open. Both were also prone to an odd yap if the rabbit went through rocks or in woodland. If you can get a reverse 3/4 that doesnt yap and has enough acceleration to put it on equal footing with a half cross, you can consider yourself to have the proverbial rocking horse shit as Ive not seen one that can match a half bred. I think we should have a day out sometime and you can prove me wrong if indeed I am wrong. Give me a good half bred collie lurcher any day of the week. Ive had a few over the years and they dont seem to let me down

[sighthound1811 6]

thanks very much juckler 123...as stated in a previous post it wont be till next year that i'm lookin for a pup (move house,build kennels etc all have to be done first )but i'll certainly keep you in mind ..thats a fine lookin dog you have , cheers chris....