Mixedgrill 704 Posted January 31, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 Can't be that game if it won't go over or under after its quarry ... The bitch I have here would go through a brick wall after her quarry ....... I've seen the dog socks when he puts his teeth to anything it's toast I'd a chat with the lad who has it he said the dog came out of England Quote Link to post
as88 146 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 guy int pub reminds me of a top boy int office on site who has all the knowledge and tells you that this that and the other should be done but has never stepped foot out of the office on the tools Sorry mate but I agree with guy int office, manual labour is beneath me Quote Link to post
morton 5,368 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 Guy int pub said all best dogs he ever seen could jump instinctively and natural, so no he wouldn't breed off a dog that refused to, especially mid chaseHis drinking companion said that the owner who used his training ability to harness the dogs instinctive nature, as part of its basic education,had a jukel that fared better for it. And he agrees, but jumping should come natural, just like running after moving prey, or needing to empty itself on a walk. With training a natural can become a great, or better at least. But it is best to try start with a natural, and the dog in question don't sound like one Running,jumping,retrieving,re-call etc.etc.etc etc.all come natural to our mutts,well most of them,do we then offer no other training or stewardship and allow them to work on basic instinct?some do,the majority offer a little assistance and fine tune the dogs natural ability and hone it to serve better purpose,Fecking hell muddler i cannot believe the tap room sage missed that snippet of wisdom . Quote Link to post
Brigzy 1,298 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 I agree with Northernlite; if you have to ask on here, that would be reason enough not to use it. I would never use a dog I didn't have complete confidence in.i 1 Quote Link to post
socks 32,253 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 Can't be that game if it won't go over or under after its quarry ... The bitch I have here would go through a brick wall after her quarry ....... I've seen the dog socks when he puts his teeth to anything it's toast I'd a chat with the lad who has it he said the dog came out of England I have seen plenty of dogs that you could put in a room with anything and they would kill it ... But the same dogs didn't have the drive or heart to bust a gut to get to their quarry when an obstacle was put in front of them ... That tells me the dog is lacking something ...... Quote Link to post
matt1979 766 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 Surely A dog with half a brain and plenty of drive will jump a fence in pursuit of prey it's not rocket science. I don't know the dog in question but from what has been said it appears to lacks desire atb Quote Link to post
hubbs 178 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 For once agree with northern light Quote Link to post
morton 5,368 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 Guy int pub said all best dogs he ever seen could jump instinctively and natural, so no he wouldn't breed off a dog that refused to, especially mid chaseHis drinking companion said that the owner who used his training ability to harness the dogs instinctive nature, as part of its basic education,had a jukel that fared better for it. And he agrees, but jumping should come natural, just like running after moving prey, or needing to empty itself on a walk. With training a natural can become a great, or better at least. But it is best to try start with a natural, and the dog in question don't sound like one Running,jumping,retrieving,re-call etc.etc.etc etc.all come natural to our mutts,well most of them,do we then offer no other training or stewardship and allow them to work on basic instinct?some do,the majority offer a little assistance and fine tune the dogs natural ability and hone it to serve better purpose,Fecking hell muddler i cannot believe the tap room sage missed that snippet of wisdom . Guy int pub said he also believes too much training leaves a lot of dogs constantly looking to the man with the slip for directions, but that's a different post. So we all agree our charges are natural jumpers, runners and catchers, we can only give them practice at it, and maybe tip odds on there favour to build confidence. But this dog refuses to jump, so is not a natural Dogs that are not natural jumpers are taught to become more natural at it,or left to wait for the gate to open,as was the habit of an ex track Greyhound i once owned,took me 6 months to turn that dog into a proficient hurdler,she then accounted for far more of her pursuits. Quote Link to post
Mixedgrill 704 Posted January 31, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 I'm in a dilemma about using a lurcher dog over my bitch thing is this dog is a machine he is capable of finishing off anything but the dog on a run will stop at gates,fences if you get my drift, the mates I hunt with say give it a wide birth but I would breed from it cause of its game Ness, What do you think ladsIts not been properly trained to navigate obstacles,thats not the dogs fault is it?.Geez mucker you,ve some sharp and knowledgeable hunting companions. If the dog was truly game and really wanted its quarry it would have learned to get over round under through any obstacle ... IMHO if a dog won't bust a gut go get to what it wants then it can't be really that game ...... well said no doubt this dog gets through gaps in hedges jumps fences etc as any working dog does second nature .but when it stops at gates fences and cover etc chasing prey to me its lacking drive and is gutless .it wouldnt be my choice There's plenty of bull in this blood lurcher lurcher x so tell me why breed from a bull if its never had to chase it's game under gate over fences do you not breed from a bull because of its game Ness and ability to fight Quote Link to post
Mixedgrill 704 Posted January 31, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 Can't be that game if it won't go over or under after its quarry ... The bitch I have here would go through a brick wall after her quarry .......I've seen the dog socks when he puts his teeth to anything it's toast I'd a chat with the lad who has it he said the dog came out of England I have seen plenty of dogs that you could put in a room with anything and they would kill it ... But the same dogs didn't have the drive or heart to bust a gut to get to their quarry when an obstacle was put in front of them ... That tells me the dog is lacking something ...... Thanks chum Quote Link to post
morton 5,368 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 I'm in a dilemma about using a lurcher dog over my bitch thing is this dog is a machine he is capable of finishing off anything but the dog on a run will stop at gates,fences if you get my drift, the mates I hunt with say give it a wide birth but I would breed from it cause of its game Ness, What do you think ladsIts not been properly trained to navigate obstacles,thats not the dogs fault is it?.Geez mucker you,ve some sharp and knowledgeable hunting companions. If the dog was truly game and really wanted its quarry it would have learned to get over round under through any obstacle ... IMHO if a dog won't bust a gut go get to what it wants then it can't be really that game ...... well said no doubt this dog gets through gaps in hedges jumps fences etc as any working dog does second nature .but when it stops at gates fences and cover etc chasing prey to me its lacking drive and is gutless .it wouldnt be my choice There's plenty of bull in this blood lurcher lurcher x so tell me why breed from a bull if its never had to chase it's game under gate over fences do you not breed from a bull because of its game Ness and ability to fight "Ability to fight",would,nt be high on my reason to breed a litter,id be more inclined to breed away from such nonsense. 1 Quote Link to post
cocker 2,654 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 i wouldn't breed from anything i had any doubts about 1 Quote Link to post
Mixedgrill 704 Posted January 31, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 I'm in a dilemma about using a lurcher dog over my bitch thing is this dog is a machine he is capable of finishing off anything but the dog on a run will stop at gates,fences if you get my drift, the mates I hunt with say give it a wide birth but I would breed from it cause of its game Ness, What do you think ladsIts not been properly trained to navigate obstacles,thats not the dogs fault is it?.Geez mucker you,ve some sharp and knowledgeable hunting companions. If the dog was truly game and really wanted its quarry it would have learned to get over round under through any obstacle ... IMHO if a dog won't bust a gut go get to what it wants then it can't be really that game ...... well said no doubt this dog gets through gaps in hedges jumps fences etc as any working dog does second nature .but when it stops at gates fences and cover etc chasing prey to me its lacking drive and is gutless .it wouldnt be my choice There's plenty of bull in this blood lurcher lurcher x so tell me why breed from a bull if its never had to chase it's game under gate over fences do you not breed from a bull because of its game Ness and ability to fight "Ability to fight",would,nt be high on my reason to breed a litter,id be more inclined to breed away from such nonsense. Okay kill Quote Link to post
bunnys 1,228 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 lots of interesting posts and has usuall the humor of johny muddler lol i can see where socks coming from but it coule be one man sees what others would not , seen loads of animals that look impressive and some very so,but in the quite light of day how would this animal fair with out the cavalry at hand would he she hold for howeva long the necesary till the cavalry arrived we all have the eyes ta see some betta than others reading the true situatuion can be very different depending whos eyes are casting over the preceedings . atb bunnys. 1 Quote Link to post
Mixedgrill 704 Posted January 31, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 i wouldn't breed from anything i had any doubts about I Wouldn't either chum but the dog is very game you have to see him go, if I breed from this dog it's not as if I'm selling the pups I'll give them away to good working homes can't be bothered with selling dogs for money 1 Quote Link to post
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