blackmaggie 3,376 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 i agree with fat man and socks how much is caught when a dog follows the game through or over things and busts a gut to get there like a dog that will follow its quarry when its disappeared into or through a hedge alot more than one that stops and watches it run off 2 Quote Link to post
brookie 1,193 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 I'm in a dilemma about using a lurcher dog over my bitch thing is this dog is a machine he is capable of finishing off anything but the dog on a run will stop at gates,fences if you get my drift, the mates I hunt with say give it a wide birth but I would breed from it cause of its game Ness, What do you think ladsIts not been properly trained to navigate obstacles,thats not the dogs fault is it?.Geez mucker you,ve some sharp and knowledgeable hunting companions. If the dog was truly game and really wanted its quarry it would have learned to get over round under through any obstacle ... IMHO if a dog won't bust a gut go get to what it wants then it can't be really that game ...... well said no doubt this dog gets through gaps in hedges jumps fences etc as any working dog does second nature .but when it stops at gates fences and cover etc chasing prey to me its lacking drive and is gutless .it wouldnt be my choice Quote Link to post
morton 5,368 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 I'm in a dilemma about using a lurcher dog over my bitch thing is this dog is a machine he is capable of finishing off anything but the dog on a run will stop at gates,fences if you get my drift, the mates I hunt with say give it a wide birth but I would breed from it cause of its game Ness, What do you think ladsIts not been properly trained to navigate obstacles,thats not the dogs fault is it?.Geez mucker you,ve some sharp and knowledgeable hunting companions. If the dog was truly game and really wanted its quarry it would have learned to get over round under through any obstacle ... IMHO if a dog won't bust a gut go get to what it wants then it can't be really that game ...... Gameness as nothing to do with a lack of basic training.I agree a dog should have the nous to work things out on its own initiative,especially when caught up in the excitement of the chase,it should make every effort to keep up,yet a mutt that as received better stewardship jumps with confidence,without hesitation and without the injuries a less educated jukel as an habit of doing.A dog not jumping on a chase lacks basic training not commitment and character. 4 Quote Link to post
socks 32,253 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 I'm in a dilemma about using a lurcher dog over my bitch thing is this dog is a machine he is capable of finishing off anything but the dog on a run will stop at gates,fences if you get my drift, the mates I hunt with say give it a wide birth but I would breed from it cause of its game Ness, What do you think lads Its not been properly trained to navigate obstacles,thats not the dogs fault is it?.Geez mucker you,ve some sharp and knowledgeable hunting companions. If the dog was truly game and really wanted its quarry it would have learned to get over round under through any obstacle ... IMHO if a dog won't bust a gut go get to what it wants then it can't be really that game ...... Gameness as nothing to do with a lack of basic training.I agree a dog should have the nous to work things out on its own initiative,especially when caught up in the excitement of the chase,it should make every effort to keep up,yet a mutt that as received better stewardship jumps with confidence,without hesitation and without the injuries a less educated jukel as an habit of doing.A dog not jumping on a chase lacks basic training not commitment and character. Its nothing to do with jumping ... If it climbed or pushed through or crawled under and missed its quarry I would be happy ...but to stop at a gate and watch its quarry run away shows the dog lacks drive commitment balls and the basic need to catch its quarry no matter what ........ Quote Link to post
as88 146 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 i agree with socks that if its so game and determined it will find a way or pluck the courage to jump obstacles but id say don't dismiss the dog if it lacks confidence in jumping because thats something that can be taught in the next generation Quote Link to post
morton 5,368 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 i agree with fat man and socks how much is caught when a dog follows the game through or over things and busts a gut to get there like a dog that will follow its quarry when its disappeared into or through a hedge alot more than one that stops and watches it run off A dog not jumping,is totally different to a dog that won,t crash through cover,ones a lack of education,the other is an educated dog,some people like an educated dog,others like a more committed and injury prone runner.Id not tolerate a dog that could not run and jump at speed,without breaking stride,i prefer a dog to work an hedge,etc.with brains and not brawn,they have a longer working season and less injury prone lifestyle. 2 Quote Link to post
nothernlite 18,077 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 If it can't work out to jump or go through a fence can it have much upstairs 1 Quote Link to post
morton 5,368 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 i agree with socks that if its so game and determined it will find a way or pluck the courage to jump obstacles but id say don't dismiss the dog if it lacks confidence in jumping because thats something that can be taught in the next generation By the time an un- educated dog works out how to get around,under or through an obstacle,the chase is lost.Putting the requisite training into the progeny won,t solve the problem at hand. Quote Link to post
socks 32,253 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 The bottom line is that any dog that watches quarry run off into the distance is lacking something ........ 2 Quote Link to post
morton 5,368 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 Guy int pub said all best dogs he ever seen could jump instinctively and natural, so no he wouldn't breed off a dog that refused to, especially mid chase His drinking companion said that the owner who used his training ability to harness the dogs instinctive nature, as part of its basic education,had a jukel that fared better for it. 3 Quote Link to post
morton 5,368 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 The bottom line is that any dog that watches quarry run off into the distance is lacking something ........ Or as learnt from experience the futility of life,at times. Quote Link to post
hubbs 178 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 Some interesting points ! I trailed a dog years and years ago never jumped , I took it out and out it would try and smash through gates fences any bloody thing in the end his heart got the better of him he started to jumped so much game I consider ! But the time he took the perfect hurdle was out of sight after something straight under a bloody car ! You could and would not stop that dog , which was the end of him ! So I agree with alot on here for once and to me a game dog in my experience would run through fire after game ! Honestly I don't know the dog or you and haven't seen it work , but a word of advice if there's one percent doubt in you head don't breed in my opinion if its a dog you want to breed there would be zero doubt and sleepless nights with excitement ! 1 Quote Link to post
as88 146 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 guy int pub reminds me of a top boy int office on site who has all the knowledge and tells you that this that and the other should be done but has never stepped foot out of the office on the tools 1 Quote Link to post
nothernlite 18,077 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 Think if you have to ask on here that should tell you something right away 2 Quote Link to post
General lee 979 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 Does this dog stop completely and quietly watch the quarry leave or does it try and go around trou or under the fence or hedge I can't seem to find the specifics in the post also what cross is this dog out of curiosity 2 Quote Link to post
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