International Conference on aboriginal dogs

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henna is put on the dogs paws pads it is thought to harden the pads also nut oil is used

 

 

makes sense, wonder if it works?

[Meerihunter 7]

I asked one of my Saudi contacts on Flickr about henna, this was his reply;

 

i was told that the henna is good for the skin and some how keeps the dogs cool during the summer.

the henna mix= henna +water+coconut oil+lemon+white vineger.

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what are your views on the saluki centre in the uae?

[Meerihunter 7]

Well this is the argument he always presents regarding 'limited samples'. The genetic studies are ongoing so time will tell on that one. I tend to go with the scientific evidence rather than something based on second hand information from Terence Clark (who as you probably can tell I dont have a huge amount of time for . I also dont think that the Sloughi or Saluki actually look alike when you get to know both breeds. The native people certainly in Morocco who hunt with Sloughis would definately not agree that they are the same breed as the Saluki either (and that's from people I know having a great deal to do with the Moroccan Sloughi owners).

 

I think it would be quite niave for anyone to assume that mixing of Saluki/sloughis hasn't gone on at some level, but at the same time it does not prove a common ancestry either, in which case both theories are believable and are true to some extent

 

In my opinion the theories may have both been believable to me before the genetic studies were conducted. From what I know of the studies being done at the moment there will be further proof of this in the not to distant future - we may pick on this discussion again further down the line But maybe we have to agree to disagree on that point

 

It's not necessarily that I disagree more a case of me keeping an open mind till all the findings and data is complete.

 

And if his claims that these people dont differentiate between the two breeds, you would most certainly be seeing feathered Sloughis because they would be bred together in their COO. Which you dont ever see. I think it's quite ignorant to assume that the people who hunt with these dogs have no interest in the heritage of their ancient breeds.

 

The fact that most southern Salukis are smoothes anyway and that the smooth is dominant would make unlikely for feathered dogs to appear especially through one off matings, they would simply be absorbed into the sloughis population, it would take 2 of the Saluki(feathered)XSloughis offspring to be coupled for the recessive feathered to come through

 

But you said that these hunting folk dont differentiate between the two breeds. If that was the case why would they bother deliberately putting a smooth to smooth. Why would the feathering matter to them if the breed doesnt matter? Also why do you not get a combination of coat colours? Why do you not get tri-coloured Sloughis, why does the Sloughi not carry any white as the Saluki does? There are various differences in coat colours which you get in one breed and not the other. Not to mention how it would be done given the huge geographical divide between both these breeds Country of Origins.

 

I never said that Sir T Clark did, lol. (I'm just playing Devils advocated here)

I don't think it's deliberate it just that they are almost all smooth in the southern range of the Saluki, in these areas and north africa I heard much of the grounds can be covered in bushes carrying sticky burrs and this could influence coat type in these areas?

 

The Sloughi is getting trashed by certain breeders in Europe at the moment. A smooth Saluki that John Burchard brought over from Egypt who he believed was a Sloughi about 30 years ago was used on 3 litters, before a feathered Saluki sister appeared of the same dog. The Swiss Kennel Club banned this dog from being bred from again as a Sloughi. However the dogs that came from those litters were continued to be bred from and 30 years down the line there are some heavily inbred Saluki/Sloughis in France in particular (that are passed off as Sloughis). The difference in these dogs as opposed to Sloughis from their COO gives a very good idea of how different these two breeds are supposed to look.

 

Does the fact that a sloughi might be carrying some saluki blood make the dog any less desirable? They are both hunting dogs pursuing similar quarry in similar environments? I'd be interested to hear what harm you consider it does?

 

I dont have an issue with Sighthounds being crossed for a purpose (ie working Lurchers). I do have a problem with a Saluki line being constantly inbred on with the result being 'so-called' Sloughis for no purpose other than lazy breeding. They are not Sloughis. If you have a 3/4 Saluki 1/4 Greyhound for instance. Do you tell people it is a Saluki? No, you tell people it is a Lurcher (or Longdog if you're going to be pedantic). The cross bred Sloughis in Europe are not used for working anyway. Some of them do participate in Lure Coursing events but most are pets or show dogs, so their ability to work is irrelevant. I am a Sloughi fancier, the Sloughi is a rare breed. I find it really sad that this breed is being wiped out in Europe by irresponsible breeding (although the Germans have put a ban on any of their breeders mixing with this line so there is some hope that idea might catch on). I also have a big problem with inbreeding - and the fact is that this Saluki line is heavily inbred from with certain Sloughi breeders. I cant see that will do these dogs any favours health wise.

 

I agree regarding a 3/4 bred dog but few more generations bred back the main population I f think can be classed a Saluki as all the greyhound would be absorbed and diluted to nothing.

 

I agree regarding in or linebreeding the crossed lines as Sloughis, out crossing then breeding back to sloughis I would'nt have a problem with.

 

3 litters of SloughiXSaluki will do the breed no harm what so ever in my mind, it would probably do them the world of good. The saluki blood will be completely absorbed within a few generations

 

If those litters had then only had Sloughis bred to them from then on, instead of consistently inbreeding on that line I would agree with you. But that is not the case. It's the inbreeding I take issue with, inbreeding in general and inbreeding to the wrong breed in particular! If you are interested in reading more about this and the affects it will have it is explained much better in the thread here (Read Sloughiman's posts). He explains it far better than I can

 

 

 

http://www.sloughi-world.de/forum/viewtopi...p?f=1&t=137

 

Agreed, I have a look thanks

 

Here are more pictures of Moroccan Sloughis taken from my friend's trip this year. Much heavier than the Saluki - and no feathering

 

http://www.sloughi-world.de/ausgabe16/marrakech.php

 

 

Some great pics Thanks for the link.

 

Glad you liked them

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i was told that the henna is good for the skin and some how keeps the dogs cool during the summer.

the henna mix= henna +water+coconut oil+lemon+white vineger.

 

Henna is considered 'cooling,' it draws the heat away from the skin and keeps them cool. Don't know if that's an actual fact or just traditional, I haven't actually hennaed my feet and walked on a hot surface to test it