International Conference on aboriginal dogs

[miles 227]

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[Paid 935]

Great pics, and some stunning dogs there.

[Guest SJM]

Interesting topic Those Tolai look a lot like the hares we have locally, The mountain hare (Lepus timidus)

[sighthound1811 6]

facinating stuff.... seen a vid a while ago of a saluki coursing a reem..think it was shot in saudi..i'll try an post a link to it

Edited November 2, 2007 by sighthound1811

[the fezz 44]

good thread this , interesting stuff .

good vid that

[inan 841]

Hi Vladimir.

 

Here is a link to the photos I took from the conference.

 

Regards

 

Mark

Great pics thanks for the link ,very interesting!Inan.

[Guest shaheen]

Facinating stuff ,Do you have anymore photo's of hunting with Tazi and "Berkut's" from the Steppe's?

Cheers

Shaheen

[Guest Vladimir]

Hi Vladimir.

 

Here is a link to the photos I took from the conference.

 

Regards

 

Mark

Great pics thanks for the link ,very interesting!Inan.

Hi, Mark! I am glad you are here. I thank everyone for the interest to the subject. I will try to answer all questions right now.

There were three organizers of the conference, one in Almaty, Kazakhstan, one in Moscow, Russia and one in Virginia, USA. I was the latter one and this is how I knew about it. I was posting about it in many hunting and dog forums. Now, I am terribly sorry, I did not get here in time. We are going to publish Proceedings of the conference in two languages, in English and in Russian. I am the translator of each article in one direction or another. When it is published, I will keep you informed.

When we were in Kazakhstan, Saluki lovers were curious about their national version of this kind of dog, which they call Tazy. Prices they asked for a puppy with papers were fantastic, everybody asked $1000 for a puppy. Eventually, I bought one male for $500. I am certain I was overcharged, because I know they sell them among themselves for $100-300. The shipping between large continental countries is easy, because they have all the same canine infectious diseases. I paid only $150 for the shipping. When I returned home, I continued e-mail contacts with some people in Kazakhstan. One of my new friends there wrote that there are many truly aboriginal Tazy in Karatau region, a few hours from Almaty. They breed and hunt these dogs the old-fashioned way, without any papers and they sell puppies at a lower price, about $50-200 each. I am even talking about purchasing the next one in the future; I would like a black or gray puppy out of good hunting parents. Tolai is smaller then Lepus europaeus and , perhaps, smaller then Lepus timidus, but it is very fast and capable of sharp turns, when running fast. Their Tazy are quite game aggressive, some dogs are known catching up to 30-40 foxes per year and some experienced dogs can kill a badger on their own. In Almaty, Tazys are not big, but very athletic, with bulging muscles. In Karatau they are more variable in complexion and size. Near Kirghizstan border, they have a clear admixture of the Taigan. They have full blooded Taigans with pedigree documents, too. Tazy from Russia are very much like Saluki, tall and elegant. Here is my Timur, I got a week ago from Sanct-Petersburg. He is out of a litter from heavily hunted parents, catching Lepus europaeus and foxes. I have more pictures. If I did not answer other questions, please, remind me. Timur is 9 months old, pale cream. On another picture Tazy is baying a badger. This picture was copied from a document.

Edited November 3, 2007 by Vladimir

[Guest Frank]

Thanks very much for that Vladimir. Very intersting indeed. It seems these dogs they have, are so selectivly bred, that they bring out the best in the breed.

 

This is what its all about, this is what the breed is ment for, their workers, not cudly pets.

 

Thanks for the pics also, keep them coming.

 

Their is some very dedicated lads, some over here, but mainly in the UK, who hunt the saluki and its hibrids. These lads bring out the best in the breed and i would class them as same as them hunters you came across.

 

All the best, may that way of life they have, never come to an end.

 

Good luck,

 

Frank.

[Meerihunter 7]

Hi Vladimir, I did actually put up a post in dec 2006 on here regarding the conference so it was advertised here also.

 

I would like to bring in Tazy in the future however the thought of putting pups in quarantine for 6 months is not one I like. Hopefully when the time comes the pet passport scheme will be be somewhat more straight forward as a means to bring in second generation Tazy from the perhaps from the US.

[Guest Vladimir]

Frank, Sir Terence Clark is right. There is a chain of geographic races of functionally similar dogs; Saluki is one of them. Native breeders and hunters are pretty sloppy by "purist" standards. However, they would no want a dog, which cannot catch hares and foxes. Selection for the funtion is tough, indeed. This is exactly, what helps to keep the appearance of a good sighthound. Tazy and/or Saluki use their noses, sniffing for animals in thickets, drive game on the pen and chase it. They are also careful, when running and never hit fences or stumps. In aboriginal states, they are often somewhat mongrelized, especially in transitional zones between ranges of different types, like Taigan/Tazy or Afghan/ Saluki. Nobody is bothered, if a prticular dog looks like a mix between Taigan and Tazy, as long as it catches game well. At the same time, there are many excellent dogs looking like ready to show. There is always variation in the appearance. Here is the father of my Urtak rom Kazakhstan.

[Guest Vladimir]

Thanks very much for that Vladimir. Very intersting indeed. It seems these dogs they have, are so selectivly bred, that they bring out the best in the breed.

 

This is what its all about, this is what the breed is ment for, their workers, not cudly pets.

 

Thanks for the pics also, keep them coming.

 

Their is some very dedicated lads, some over here, but mainly in the UK, who hunt the saluki and its hibrids. These lads bring out the best in the breed and i would class them as same as them hunters you came across.

 

All the best, may that way of life they have, never come to an end.

 

Good luck,

 

Frank.

This is "Berkut", the father of my "Urtak". "Ada" is his mother. Both are only 4 pedigreed generations out of aboriginal "unknown" origin dogs. Sorry, I made a mistake and posted another "Berkut", which is the East Sibierain Laika. Here is Tazy "named "Berkut".

 

 

 

Hi Vladimir, I did actually put up a post in dec 2006 on here regarding the conference so it was advertised here also.

 

I would like to bring in Tazy in the future however the thought of putting pups in quarantine for 6 months is not one I like. Hopefully when the time comes the pet passport scheme will be be somewhat more straight forward as a means to bring in second generation Tazy from the perhaps from the US.

Edited November 3, 2007 by Vladimir

[Guest bobsuperdog]

simply fantastic

 

i was wondering

how do there dogs compare with the dogs we have here

as i think the dogs we have nowadays

are soft

are their dogs more hardier

as they the people like hardier life's

 

as in over here the dogs are put on a pedestal

give supplements, diet controlled, exercise regime,

magnetic box's are used ect.ect....

 

where over there a dog is a dog

 

is the purpose of a dog solely to put meat on the table

or is it becomeing more a sport over there

 

very intresting good post this

[Guest SJM]

Love the badger pic

[Dawn B 212]

SUPERB pictures!!

Image 0291 looks like a native type Afghan?