oohmydog 82 Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 Always enter young terriers in what we call puppy earths ,nice shallow places were you be confident of getting down sharpish ,some folk don,t move on from them the dog does not know how deep he is and they help to give the dog confidence to stay a couple of taps on the top and he will get use to the fact your on your way jmo 2 Quote Link to post
woottonsheart 214 Posted January 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 If you have never dug on a peice of land before and want to try a dog how would you know its a shallow earth if you have never dug it before ? Quote Link to post
Mixedgrill 704 Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 My answer would be to just enter the dog and get it over with if you think anything of the terrier he'll get the job done handy or not, when the owner of the terrier picks handy earths he'll want nothing more than handy all the time the dogs don't know what handy is 1 Quote Link to post
Onlyworkmatters 1,584 Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 Educated guess after years of experience, reading an earth, but nowhere near 100% Quote Link to post
Squirrel_Basher 17,100 Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 My answer would be to just enter the dog and get it over with if you think anything of the terrier he'll get the job done handy or not, when the owner of the terrier picks handy earths he'll want nothing more than handy all the time the dogs don't know what handy is Not for a puppy though eh mate. 1 Quote Link to post
oohmydog 82 Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 There a lot of lads over face a young dog and judge it before its really mature and still learning its way ,if you are working terriers you know the small satellite earths round your permission and were the main places are stick to the small spots with a young an look after them and they will hold, dig them to death and they are gone forever so get as much permission as you can and keep the game in your and the dogs favour sit on your hands and let them work as long as possible and hopfully you will get a warrior that when 3.7 pops up on your box you and your mate have the confidence in the dog to get the spade jmo 4 Quote Link to post
Mixedgrill 704 Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 My answer would be to just enter the dog and get it over with if you think anything of the terrier he'll get the job done handy or not, when the owner of the terrier picks handy earths he'll want nothing more than handy all the time the dogs don't know what handy isNot for a puppy though eh mate. I agree with everyone starting there pups in nice and easy earth's and where you can listen to every move the pup makes but for me I like a bit of range in an earth not to deep cause when the stuff moves I like to see if the young pup can move with it, I always like to look for a bit more than a straight forward dig and I like to keep them at it , I'm not one for bubble wrapping my dogs Quote Link to post
Alimac2 321 Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 I'd agree, a puppy spot for me is far more about the depth than anything else. If a young dog can't find in a rangy spot, it'll do it no harm to be tied up & left to watch. As it's been said, a shallow looking earth is 9 times out of 10, exactly what it looked like. If the unknown puts you off then maybe the games not for you. 1 Quote Link to post
Squirrel_Basher 17,100 Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 My answer would be to just enter the dog and get it over with if you think anything of the terrier he'll get the job done handy or not, when the owner of the terrier picks handy earths he'll want nothing more than handy all the time the dogs don't know what handy is Not for a puppy though eh mate. I agree with everyone starting there pups in nice and easy earth's and where you can listen to every move the pup makes but for me I like a bit of range in an earth not to deep cause when the stuff moves I like to see if the young pup can move with it, I always like to look for a bit more than a straight forward dig and I like to keep them at it , I'm not one for bubble wrapping my dogs But your not saying you start a pup ,first time in a rangey place are you mate .Only a fool lets a pup into a deep place intentionally .The object is to let it see what the darkness holds not to test its breeding from the off.im a bit confused by your posts here .When the youngster has moved on a bit then yes ,bigger and better but this post is about first time earths isnt it and how to spot them .The sattelite places written of earlier are ideal ,giving any major places a wide birth until time and maturity allows a propper go .i agree that some go entire careers just in small spots ,never tested for this is where breeding is tested ,both man and dog . Quote Link to post
fat man 4,741 Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 I like to try if possible to keep a 1st season dog-bitch winning everytime its put to ground if possible as it confidence in the terrier and you also get to know the style in which the young dog works.I would give them 5-6 easy places then gradually up the work.Some terriers will take to it like a duck to water while others will need to be brought along at a nice steady pace.I had 2 bitchs that entered 1st time out last season,1 been dug at 8ft on her 4th dig and they went from strenght to strenght but my mate had a dog from the same litter that was very slow to start but when he clicked there was no stoping him.I reckon you have to allow for mistakes in a terriers 1st season,like different levels in an earth and will a young dog figure it out or be able to find,its all a learning process in the 1st season thats why handy earths are a great learner ut 2nd season they should be able to up the gears,jmo. Quote Link to post
the goat 642 Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 We have quite a few rangey earth's but shallow, ideally I don't really like something with too much range for a terriers first or second time to ground just in case it pushes passed and the terrier struggles to find again, I like somewhere which is quite small and if he does get past the dog then with a bit of determination and maybe a bit of courage from the owner when the dog looks Confused usually it's job done, as fat man said build up confidence is what we try to do. I must say though I do like it when a young dog has to work for it, they got to learn it's not all going to be plain sailing. 3 Quote Link to post
fat man 4,741 Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 I like to try if possible to keep a 1st season dog-bitch winning everytime its put to ground if possible as it confidence in the terrier and you also get to know the style in which the young dog works.I would give them 5-6 easy places then gradually up the work.Some terriers will take to it like a duck to water while others will need to be brought along at a nice steady pace.I had 2 bitchs that entered 1st time out last season,1 been dug at 8ft on her 4th dig and they went from strenght to strenght but my mate had a dog from the same litter that was very slow to start but when he clicked there was no stoping him.I reckon you have to allow for mistakes in a terriers 1st season,like different levels in an earth and will a young dog figure it out or be able to find,its all a learning process in the 1st season thats why handy earths are a great learner ut 2nd season they should be able to up the gears,jmo.how many digs would you stop at with a first season dog fatman ? Atb AT That depends on the style the dog works,some are hard types some not so it varies.The 2 bitchs i started last season were both dug 12-14 times each but never worked sore,always given proper time to heal.I think the secret is not to hammer them as at the end of the day there not machines and any dog can be sickened. 2 Quote Link to post
Mixedgrill 704 Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 My answer would be to just enter the dog and get it over with if you think anything of the terrier he'll get the job done handy or not, when the owner of the terrier picks handy earths he'll want nothing more than handy all the time the dogs don't know what handy isNot for a puppy though eh mate.I agree with everyone starting there pups in nice and easy earth's and where you can listen to every move the pup makes but for me I like a bit of range in an earth not to deep cause when the stuff moves I like to see if the young pup can move with it, I always like to look for a bit more than a straight forward dig and I like to keep them at it , I'm not one for bubble wrapping my dogs But your not saying you start a pup ,first time in a rangey place are you mate .Only a fool lets a pup into a deep place intentionally .The object is to let it see what the darkness holds not to test its breeding from the off.im a bit confused by your posts here .When the youngster has moved on a bit then yes ,bigger and better but this post is about first time earths isnt it and how to spot them .The sattelite places written of earlier are ideal ,giving any major places a wide birth until time and maturity allows a propper go .i agree that some go entire careers just in small spots ,never tested for this is where breeding is tested ,both man and dog . call me and we'll talk about it Quote Link to post
stop.end 4,079 Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 (edited) Edited January 29, 2015 by stop.end 2 Quote Link to post
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