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[Alsone 789]

Never heard of anyone getting shot gun training but would you fancy an armed response?

 

I could almost guarantee you if you're in a public place with a handgun, even a bright red one, and it goes bang, then some idiot will report you "as firing shots from what appears to be a hangun".

Edited January 19, 2015 by Alsone

[danw 1,748]

Never heard of anyone getting shot gun training but would you fancy an armed response?

 

I could almost guarantee you if you're in a public place with a handgun, even a bright red one, and it goes bang, then some idiot will report you "as firing shots from what appears to be a hangun".

Again where is the evidence of this ever happening to some one training there dog?

[Alsone 789]

Can't provide any evidence as call outs with no illegality don't make the papers.

 

However, I can 100% guarantee you if you walk into eg a public park around here with a gun, even a bright red one with a dog, someone will call the police within the 1st 5 mins.

 

Most people around me won't even allow their kids to have toy guns anymore.

 

At the end of the day I err on the side of caution. I'm sure many people do use red starting pistols for gun training without any problems. Personally, in public, I'd rather use a launcher or something else that goes bang but doesn't risk a police call.

Edited January 20, 2015 by Alsone

[Deker 3,478]

Can't provide any evidence as call outs with no illegality don't make the papers.

 

However, I can 100% guarantee you if you walk into eg a public park around here with a gun, even a bright red one with a dog, someone will call the police within the 1st 5 mins.

 

Most people around me won't even allow their kids to have toy guns anymore.

 

At the end of the day I err on the side of caution. I'm sure many people do use red starting pistols for gun training without any problems. Personally, in public, I'd rather use a launcher or something else that goes bang but doesn't risk a police call.

 

Alsone.......I think you need to calm down a bit.

 

Be careful what you guarantee, and just how many people wonder into their local PUBLIC park with a starting gun of any colour and start letting rip with it to train their dog?

[Alsone 789]

I'm perfectly calm. I just prefer to err on the edge of caution.

 

I have seen people training dogs in the local parks round here, but with launchers.

 

I just think it's ill advised these days to carry starting pistols anywhere in public. Maybe if you have a piece of land in the middle of other private land, such as on a large farm, then yep no-one will bother you. But in a public park or on private land near a footpath, I'd expect a call. That's the nature of the beast these days. The public are paranoid about anything that remotely resembles a gun.

[SportingShooter 0]

I guess it all comes down to circumstances,

 

In the middle of Regents Park, I wouldn't fancy my chances. In a village park in the middle of Powys, I doubt anyone would bat an eyelid.

[Alsone 789]

Presses "Like" button.

 

That's pretty much exactly what I'm getting at. It's easy for people to forget sometimes that not everyone everyone lives in the Countryside. Many shooters live urban or sub urban and their shoots might be an hour's drive or more away whereas the local park is just around the corner, or where their shoot is in the country nearby, the paths near it are full of" urban" day trippers who don't approve of guns or shooting and can't tell a starting pistol or a toy from a howitzer. I don't know where the OP lives. You can never be too careful.

 

You might be entirely lawful and within your right to train your dog in the park, field, farm. But if someone reports a man with a handgun in a field to an urban or sub urban force, then you can almost guarantee an armed response whether it's red or yellow or pink (!), because you can guarantee that's one detail they won't report. That's where a launcher or similar becomes safer.

 

Even in the Country, you can never guarantee how a report will pan out, a country force may still scramble a response, so the best defence as I see it, is use something that doesn't risk provoking a response in the 1st place. I'm not at all saying don't exercise your rights. If you want to use a starting pistol because it's your right to, then fine. It's just that when there are alternatives to a gun shaped object and where there's a chance of a response, it makes sense to at least consider would the alternative be a better option in this day and age.

Edited January 20, 2015 by Alsone

[danw 1,748]

Third and final time show us one just one anecdotal account of a gundog trainer being stopped by ARV there are plenty of documented accounts of pigeon shooters being challenged when carrying out lawful pest control so given how you guarantee this will happen when training a dog show us an instance to substantiate your claim

 

 

As an aside when I use a starting pistol inveriably it is concealed and fired in or behind my game bag (I don't want the dog to preempt the action or in the case of a younger dog may wish to muffle the shot) I believe your ignorance to training methods and a pistols use therein is clouding your judgment and just maybe the reason you cannot find one instance of ARV intervention is because gundog trainers tend to find quiet places to train and act discreetly.

[Deker 3,478]

Alsone...are you seriously suggesting people rush to the local PUBLIC park and start blatting off starting pistols to train their dogs?

[StephenWalsh 73]

Alsone...are you seriously suggesting people rush to the local PUBLIC park and start blatting off starting pistols to train their dogs?

 

I think that is precisely the opposite of what he is saying!?!

[Deker 3,478]

 

Alsone...are you seriously suggesting people rush to the local PUBLIC park and start blatting off starting pistols to train their dogs?

 

I think that is precisely the opposite of what he is saying!?!

 

 

 

 

 

I just think it's ill advised these days to carry starting pistols anywhere in public. Maybe if you have a piece of land in the middle of other private land, such as on a large farm, then yep no-one will bother you. But in a public park or on private land near a footpath, I'd expect a call. That's the nature of the beast these days. The public are paranoid about anything that remotely resembles a gun.

 

 

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However, I can 100% guarantee you if you walk into eg a public park around here with a gun, even a bright red one with a dog, someone will call the police within the 1st 5 mins.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Plenty of people have been shot and killed with imitation firearms and the way the public are in this country if they see you out eg in the street or local park, or public countryside with a handgun they will report you, legal or not, and that means an armed response.

 

 

 

 

 

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Given the UK public, I wouldn't want to be seen carrying any gun in public even if it is bright yellow or red. Anything is likely to provoke an armed response.

 

 

A few edited posts, I rather think the ONLY person here making any suggestion about carrying/using a handgun/starting pistol in a PUBLIC park is Alsone.

 

What has public use got to do with this thread, I don't see anyone suggesting they were going to!

 

You may just as well say it isn't a good idea walking into your local PUBLIC park and shooting pigeons, or suggest it isn't clever walking into a bank wearing your balaclava because it's cold, and showing the carving knife you just bought for the turkey to the person next to you in the queue!

 

I only see one person here making any suggestion starting pistols may be used in PUBLIC parks.

 

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Edited January 21, 2015 by Deker

[CharlieT 32]

Third and final time show us one just one anecdotal account of a gundog trainer being stopped by ARV there are plenty of documented accounts of pigeon shooters being challenged when carrying out lawful pest control so given how you guarantee this will happen when training a dog show us an instance to substantiate your claim

 

 

As an aside when I use a starting pistol inveriably it is concealed and fired in or behind my game bag (I don't want the dog to preempt the action or in the case of a younger dog may wish to muffle the shot) I believe your ignorance to training methods and a pistols use therein is clouding your judgment and just maybe the reason you cannot find one instance of ARV intervention is because gundog trainers tend to find quiet places to train and act discreetly.

Although quashed on appeal, these two women were convicted of just such a thing.

 

http://www.ourdogs.co.uk/News/2007/February2007/News090207/gundog.htm

[Alsone 789]

Alsone...are you seriously suggesting people rush to the local PUBLIC park and start blatting off starting pistols to train their dogs?

 

I've seen people in parks around here with dummy launchers before. Like I said above, not everyone who enjoys country sports lives in the country or near their shoot / private land they have permission to use.

 

That said, no I don't advocate taking a starting pistol into a public park which was really my point. If you're going to be training anywhere thats public or near public footapths which are frequented by urban walkers then anything that looks like a handgun, even if brightly coloured, could be ill advised.

 

(It's amazing how a single helpful comment that maybe it would be worth considering a dummy launcher can get blown out of all proportion. )

Edited January 21, 2015 by Alsone

[Deker 3,478]

 

Alsone...are you seriously suggesting people rush to the local PUBLIC park and start blatting off starting pistols to train their dogs?

 

I've seen people in parks around here with dummy launchers before. launchers are not starting pistols, but launchers in Public parks are not common round my way either Like I said above, not everyone who enjoys country sports lives in the country or near their shoot / private land they have permission to use. so, do they walk down the high street letting go with a launcher/starting pistol.

 

That said, no I don't advocate taking a starting pistol into a public park You were the only one who has ever made suggestion of the rather incredulous activity of wondering into your local Public park and letting go with a starting pistol which was really my point. If you're going to be training anywhere thats public or near public footapths...nobody suggested anything about this except you which are frequented by urban walkers then anything that looks like a handgun, even if brightly coloured, could be ill advised.

 

(It's amazing how a single helpful comment that maybe it would be worth considering a dummy launcher can get blown out of all proportion. )

 

 

Have a nice day!

Edited January 21, 2015 by Deker

[Deker 3,478]

 

Third and final time show us one just one anecdotal account of a gundog trainer being stopped by ARV there are plenty of documented accounts of pigeon shooters being challenged when carrying out lawful pest control so given how you guarantee this will happen when training a dog show us an instance to substantiate your claim

 

 

As an aside when I use a starting pistol inveriably it is concealed and fired in or behind my game bag (I don't want the dog to preempt the action or in the case of a younger dog may wish to muffle the shot) I believe your ignorance to training methods and a pistols use therein is clouding your judgment and just maybe the reason you cannot find one instance of ARV intervention is because gundog trainers tend to find quiet places to train and act discreetly.

Although quashed on appeal, these two women were convicted of just such a thing.

 

http://www.ourdogs.co.uk/News/2007/February2007/News090207/gundog.htm

 

 

Come on Charlie.........

 

The circumstances of that are nowhere close to letting go with a starting pistol in a Public Park, and the Judge basically told everyone to ***** off, and stop wasting his time and public money!