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theres a bit of difference there rob like hjkc is still legal :thumbs:

appreciate your point and agree, but i'd rather kill a rabbit myself, have no use for retrieved dead rats and have no interest in reviving an old term that the hard of thinking minority may wish to revive and misuse.

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both these dogs can H,J,K,C, Its a great way of keeping them fit as well, A dog that can not jump around this way would be useless,  

the Fawn dog is rising 5 years old in may, he stands just over 26" he has pace +wind, can run clever, all on EDIBLE, the black bitch is 22"and half, WestmeadeHawk, is her grandsire, Her sire first

had a collie that was great on the lamp couple of the younger members said i was talking rubbish because rabbits were to fast lol

No fluff did not breed the fawn dog, I dont know Fluff, a Lad called Sunny, bred the dog, and it was gifted to me, come from Humberside, the black bitch was also gifted, she come from central belt Scotland, the best things in life are FREE, you see lads plastering how the dogs are bred so called pedigree as long as your arm,££££££££££££££££££££££££££££s first the dog has to have the minerals, then the owner has to school his pup the way he wants it to work, and you will only get out what you put into the dog, yes I have had a few disappointments, in my life,but i have had some great times with my ole muts,

companions, dedicated to there job, straining at the leash, let me go and do my job, ((( thats what they say to me, but everyman to his way of working, Nothing beats seeing a good dog work, Daytime, scenting, jumping around the rough, making there quarry break, ((((( FLUSHING TO THE GUN ))))) but some of those guys cannot shoot straight, so old faithful does his job,

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Good posts folks..Border Lad is a dogman and not just a man with a dog..there's a world of difference,he knows through dedication and experience how to get a dog in pristine order..as for HJKC ..I wish my cnuts could do just the one of those haha

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youllr not beat abit of collie in adog to be the proper h j kc dog at times , its funny nowadays how the first thing you hear is does it catch , never is it obeident does it fetch ,i think the standard of lurcher work has went down the way when it comes to obeidence at times

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H J C K ? What a joke!

 

Surely all that matters now is Gameness! I read it here all the time. Pace, footing, turn, strike and pick up are all historic terms surely.

All you need is more gameness more bull. :thumbs:

The gamest lurcher i witnessed,a first cross bull,could,nt hunt,could,nt jump,tried to kill anything within its limited range and refused to carry.The dog was renowned for its gutsy attitude and many a nugget kenneled it,then passed it on because it rarely tagged on to anything without assistance.

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alot of people dont realy no how to train or how to get the dog the chances to make them decent steady dogs ,watched one of my saluki crosses meg yesterday hunt the wind right round in a circle then like a cat stalked down wind of a hole ,there was a five holer we got three rabbits and that didnt have collie in her ,saw alot of poor articles of dogs hunting lately , running about mad and no style or control , headless chickens

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H J C K ? What a joke!

 

Surely all that matters now is Gameness! I read it here all the time. Pace, footing, turn, strike and pick up are all historic terms surely.

All you need is more gameness more bull. :thumbs:

The gamest lurcher i witnessed,a first cross bull,could,nt hunt,could,nt jump,tried to kill anything within its limited range and refused to carry.The dog was renowned for its gutsy attitude and many a nugget kenneled it,then passed it on because it rarely tagged on to anything without assistance.

 

Surely down to its owners?

Surely not as game as the deer hounds pulling red stags :laugh:

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good thread ,and whilst as like the collie in the mix there be other base types that equal and can surpass them ,hjkc good some good posts and i am afraid its a sign of the times that most either have no desire ta train the animal of there choice or they just anna got a clue how two.my preference on a very fast recall installed does help and comes in ta play when hunting woodland and forestry blocks because if the game his in the animals ability to carry it usually his .having a jukel trained left right stop etc his and does play a big part of the real moocher,and the command no a big must lamping freely watching other runners with a cool heade well trained animal l watchiing the preceedings his a good sense of achievement . taking stuff from water either waterfowl or xsing water with the ability ta direct the jukel where they maybe game ,winding in thy animalhis a must and a animal that has super senses and smell has say the herding types and sheperds with out the manic nose down type has say some other breeds posses .all these little bits in my view go on ta get thee a hunting moocher call it what one may but pleasure his what we seek and these little bits in ta animal out weigh lots of other traits jumping a must and for the life cana undertstand why some dunna train two some are naturals others have to be coaxed either way no excuse i believe begetting the right blend can be a great help , but some can suffice with very little hound inn the make up of there jukel . AND have a knack some say skill ori say obsession bordering on OCD to be able to draw the very best and beget a animal that will graft way beyond there natural ability . atb bunnys.

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