rodp 316 Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 Opinions are like arseholesaye... We all have thwm The fact that I can voice mine at this time without fear of some goat shagging Muslim hacking my head off/stoning me to death/butchering my family or worse means a great deal to me! If you really don't believe these cnuts need curbing, sending back and taught to behave civilly with their other human brothers and sisters then get ready to convert to shislam. Before I do that, can I just double check....................... these 72 virgins .......................... they are female I hope ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 13,199 Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 Whoa woah woah who said genocide?? I said carpet bomb the place and subjugate the backward twats. Just like the yanks did to Nippon or we did to the Germans at Dresden. Get a fuckingg grip, wars are won through loss of life and frankly i'd rather 1000 of them cnuts die than any other decent human being Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,798 Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 Fair comment BH Do you you think mussies give a fuckk? Nah mate! Regardless of which country they come from, Islam is backwards Your average Syrian, Algerian, Iraqi, Arab, Persian/Iranian etc imo just want to live their lives much the same as the rest of us. Their culture is different to ours and it's not my place to pass judgement on that. I haven't the slightest problem with Islam or any religion, I have problems with certain actions brought about by interpretations of it though. And the inconvenient truth is that there are plenty of practicing Muslims who's moral compass points in the same direction as my own, so I find it very difficult to have a grievance with them all. Not to mention the fact that their are plenty of non Islamic cultures living in that region too. The middle east has been a region of huge strategic value to the west for the past 100 years and prior to that of huge religious and cultural value. Because of this the West has inevitably caused grievances and as a consequence we are seeing a religious reaction. IMO it wouldn't matter what religion was predominant, we would still be seeing extremism in the name of it. Now, don't mistake these words for admission of guilt or blame, I'm merely stating what I believe to be the reality of the situation. Without a shadow of a doubt we need a strong and aggressive military response both foreign and domestic. These incidents haven't changed my views at all, I'm not inclined to react emotionally. But none of that will matter, the average Joe will continue to prioritise Defence lower than every other area of Government and become more and more emotional in their response to these attacks because they have historically and continually lacked the substance to support proactive military action. Pushing themselves into such reactionary emotional suggestions like genocide etc. JMO mate. So just what do you suggest other than carpet bombing whole areas and accepting civilian casualties? Page two I put what I believe to be the correct course of action to deal with this extremism. We have dealt with similar terrorist problems in the past, foreign and domestic. But we need to stop playing the nice guy and start fighting this problem the same way we have done historically. With ruthless aggression directed at the enemy. That will involve innocent people dying, which is an inevitability of war. But the public WILL NOT support any long term military action, they just haven't the stomach for it. And no politician we have currently has the bollocks to take such bold action for fear of being turned on by the public and then being dragged through the Hague for war crimes having authorised British forces to kill enemy combatants whether or not they are armed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 13,199 Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 So make it short term then as I said above Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 47,400 Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 We have a right as humanity and the club of human kind to erase from the planet anyone who steps outside of all the normal moral boundaries......if they are killing all over the world ( which they are) in the name of Islam then it's Islam that should be erased from the face of the planet. People say "isolated incidents"......."small minority".........well these tiny numbers have managed to keep the biggest superpower on earth and it's allies at war for nearly 20 years ! Not exactly one man and his dog is it 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,798 Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 Come on shroom, there's no need to be committing genocide or for any other emotional retaliatory response. There's plenty of innocent folks in the Middle East that we should have no grievance with and to kill them as 'collateral' I would find morally intolerable. A strong and aggressive military action should be taken, but lets not sacrifice our humanity. We have the capability to target the guilty and rid this world of them without having to commit genocide. We don't actually, no-one does. The militants hide behind civilians, usually women and children, because they're basically cowards. We don't yet have missiles that pick out the guilty and leave the innocent The terrorists know this and use it to their advantage. There will be no end to this until we accept sufficient civilian casualties to drive the civilians into pointing the finger at the terrorists. Unfortunately that's going to be the only way, the civilians will have to choose between death from the allies bombs or give up the terrorists.. Of course, the do gooders in parliament will just not accept this ............................... until it comes to their front door, ........ and it's on route as we speak. How long before the mussies twig on the MP's rule the country, therefore they're prime targets. A couple of MP's shot in the street and things will change very quickly. I'm sorry but you're just wrong. We don't have to commit genocide to fight insurgency, that's a proven fact. Collateral damage is to be expected but simply killing entire populations because it's easy is genocide, not collateral. In Afghanistan our troops were asked to fight a war against insurgency with their hands completely tied. A similar war on a smaller scale was fought in the post Iraq invasion by special forces, so with greater freedom, and the insurgency problem was flattened. So, if we won the war in Afghanistan and Iraq who the hell are these nutters now in France? These all stem from the same lot. We haven't won, we merely wounded a few and now they're regrouping and bringing the war to us. And I didn't say genocide, I deliberately didn't use the word as it brings to mind the mass extermination of populations. I said civilian casualties, and those we will have to accept otherwise we'll just annoy them even more ! We didn't win in either Afghan or Iraq mate, I agree. I just gave two examples that's all. After the coalition successfully invaded Iraq, the war turned into one of insurgency. Which a well coordinated and aggressive offensive took care of. We then pulled out and left the Iraqis to deal with it and it escalated out of their control to what we have now. These insurgency hotspots are flaring up all over and are effectively the strongholds where these fuckers that are attacking us get all the resources they need. And we're just watching all these sparks turn to raging infernos and only when it becomes a raging inferno do we decide to do anything as limp wristed as dropping a few bombs. It strikes me as an horrendously flawed strategy! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,798 Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 We have a right as humanity and the club of human kind to erase from the planet anyone who steps outside of all the normal moral boundaries......if they are killing all over the world ( which they are) in the name of Islam then it's Islam that should be erased from the face of the planet. People say "isolated incidents"......."small minority".........well these tiny numbers have managed to keep the biggest superpower on earth and it's allies at war for nearly 20 years ! Not exactly one man and his dog is it So who's gonna put a bullet in Max's mate at the petrol station or the chap that works down the hall from me (who I never had a clue was Muslim until he brought a cake in to celebrate the end of his fast) or the chap in the village I grew up in that ran the kids football team (again no idea Muslim until at a BBQ). I just can't and won't justify genocide mate so long as there is a sensible option of defence. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
downsview 448 Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 Why didn't the Muslims target a few of those mime artists they would of gained my support for that one. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 13,199 Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 Well said Wilf PS desert or any other feckin apologist if you have an issue with anything anyone else or I have said then you have to look no further than the silence from your local muslim country/mosque/brothers/sisters as the reason. If you all universally condemned these kind of actions things would be a million.... Forget it Islam doesn't allow it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
desertbred 5,490 Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 You people talk of Muslims wanting to impose Shariat etc what the f**k are you people trying to impose on a Billion people ? The hatred espoused on here is no different than the hatred you claim the Muslims have for the West so come on you experts solutions forget the genocide , the deporting all Muslims the Special ops its not going to happen the revolution thats talked about is not going to meterialise that is fact so being a backward uneducated follower of islam tell me and the billion muslims what is the solution? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 13,199 Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 (edited) Personally I just want the mussies to behave but unfortunately your book of fables doesn't let it be nor your f****n imams Edited January 9, 2015 by mushroom 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 47,400 Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 I think what mushroom is getting at is, we in the west , have the capability and the means to exact a revenge so terrible that they would never want to come back for more. I believe we should, and if we had the strength of will of the likes of these Islamic types we would......but we don't, you can't buy these people off like we did with Gerry Adams and co.......that's a problem we find hard to deal with. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 13,199 Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 (edited) PS you people???? Wtf if I said that about mussies I'd be strung up seriously f**k off back to Iran Edited January 9, 2015 by mushroom 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 13,199 Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 Eloquent as always Wilfy 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
downsview 448 Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 Plenty of Muslim doctors and nurses in this country and others including the USA saving thousands of lives on a daily basis think their doing their bit to redress the balance.Just out of interest I believe the worlds biggest murderers were Stalin and Mao both atheists. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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