gnasher16 30,455 Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 The most important difference here is it is a GAMEBRED dog that happens to be blue in colour. Not a dog bred to be blue... Yokel Yep couldnt agree more ....was just answering the chaps question. Both dog and child are being horribly exploited for the pleasure of perverted people.Neither dog nor child have any choice in the proceedings.That's why I said gaining pleasure from watching pit bulls fighting is 'almost as bad as paedophilia'. Hope that helps. Probably better to get an understanding of something before coming out with naive comments that show a simple lack of information .....Hope that helps,as you say You've not 'got my goat'...far from it...just find it a bit petty you have to try and twist my words...at no point have i said 'a dog bred for colour or confirmation cannot be game'...i simply gave the opinion that those dogs in the video where poor example of the breed...i'd bet if i posted that video and said i thought they was good examples of the american pit bull terrier you would be the first to jump in and tell me i was wrong...but for some reason you want to argue the toss...i know you can see what im saying..maybe you got a soft spot for them blue bulldogs? (wernt you that sold Kevin Mitchel that big blue lump was it?)...that Gr Ch Sago is similar to the dogs in that video in colour only...put 7 of them Bellon club dogs in a room together for a tea party...then youd see the differance to the blue bullys in the video...but you know that dont you? Like i said,you made contradicting points that i couldnt work out.....now you,ve expalined it i couldnt agree more...... Personally ive never heard of a dog who was game because of his coat colour or confirmation....and ive never heard of a dog who was game inspite of his coat colour or confirmation. I always thought that a good pitbull was friendly as hell to people but murder with other animals as you needed to be able to get up close to separate them without being bitten. Therefore shouldnt a true pitbull make a good pet in the right hands and im sure i read that in the 1800s when it was big the dog would be put in the pram and pushed home and that the reason they were such good fighting sogs was that they wanted to please thier owners so badly they were easy to train there are many examples of them being worked other than fighting on youtube i know what they were bred for but cant they be used for other things like the dog in the uk the police res ied and trained successfully only to be told it looked like a pitbull so was put down Very few dogs in the heat of battle will be looking to bite their handler theres far too much else on their mind that old theory of fighting dogs being pussy cats around people is just silly.....if the priority of a dogs breeding is performance then temperament can suffer thats just common sense the fighting Apbt is no different. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,436 Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 Very few dogs in the heat of battle will be looking to bite their handler theres far too much else on their mind that old theory of fighting dogs being pussy cats around people is just silly.....if the priority of a dogs breeding is performance then temperament can suffer thats just common sense the fighting Apbt is no different. One of the worst rumours about the APBT put out by the "fur mommies" that are hell bent on "rehabilitating" their image. Nothing special about a bull dog, they're just as likely to bite a human as any other highly driven working breed. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Casso 1,261 Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 It's when we not breeding for performance that breeds a kink into the temperament, When we breed for working ability in whatever breed we are breeding for structure and heart, In today's world where Friendlyness is a desired trait, what is actually been bred for is a lack of heart and heart is heart for work and for social, A truly social conifident animal has no fear , can identify the avenue which best suits his temperament and is grounded and laid back , it's when we're not breeding for temperament/heart that we get issues with problem dogs Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,455 Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 Totally agree.....i probably sound like a broken record but ive said for years with Apbt,s the further away from the pit you breed them the more trouble you will have. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bird 9,977 Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 Totally agree.....i probably sound like a broken record but ive said for years with Apbt,s the further away from the pit you breed them the more trouble you will have. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 13,252 Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 Used to let my daughter feed the dogs (supervised) never in a pile like that though. Each dog has it's own bowl placed in front of it, with enough space to not have to feel threatened or aggressive and then given a command to eat. Watching this makes me feel very uncomfortable. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jukel123 8,650 Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 Gnasher, seems to me like you are running away from the 'fight'. I have stated that those who are turned on by watching pit bulls fighting are little better than nonces.You strongly disagree. So tell us why.I don't expect you to incriminate yourself. Just give us the facts as you see them so we can engage in healthy debate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dare 1,103 Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 Anyone "turned on" by a dog is a sick b*****d if you ask me lol 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bird 9,977 Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 Gnasher, seems to me like you are running away from the 'fight'. I have stated that those who are turned on by watching pit bulls fighting are little better than nonces.You strongly disagree. So tell us why.I don't expect you to incriminate yourself. Just give us the facts as you see them so we can engage in healthy debate. well speaking for me who been round bull breeds long time, Gnash will speak for his self lol . the apbt wasn't solely bred just for the pit, it was used as vermin+ come knock about dog on the ranches in USA when it was shipped over from here and bred out there . it fighting skills,strenght, guts agilty, etc were used as attribute for fighting , that other dogs don't have .And the men who fought them and improved the breed for fighting , as what it renown for of the dog we know today. Wrongly or rightly the breed was bred for that job, and once the breed is stopped from doing that function , it just become like its counterpart the staff which is just a kc show dog . And a lot of apbt of today are not the proper apbt that was 1st bred back then, some today got other breeds in them (abd etc ) bred for size= macho . I don't condone dogfighting , but that where the breed exceled at . a lot of apbt are used in other breeds to stiffen up there back bones , and I reckon if breed wasn't like it once was it would never be used for that purpose . it just the same as with other breeds, rottie, gsd, if you want a guard dog you pick these breeds for there aggression that they show in that job, you wouldn't choose a lap dog type. certain traits are bred and encouraged for some breeds, take that away and lost that breed . apbt was a great breed of dog when it 1st was bred, but today it got to popular , got in the wrongs poorly bred, and the breed near enough finished now, prob the next 10-20 years the breed will be gone , to what it once was . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AKA-BRINDLE 879 Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 The thread is simply a discussion of the posted video and the American Pit Bull Terrier in general...nobody is condoning any illegl activities...but to truly understand the breed...you must understand and respect what the breed was bred for...it is what it is...theres no sugar coating it...If the first thing to come into your mind when talking about these dogs is being sexually turned on child abuse and nonces...your mind works in a very sick and strange way...If your the sort that views dogs as kiddies/babys...then maybe a field sports forum that features working dogs isnt the place for you 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
C556 351 Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 Gnasher, seems to me like you are running away from the 'fight'. I have stated that those who are turned on by watching pit bulls fighting are little better than nonces.You strongly disagree. So tell us why.I don't expect you to incriminate yourself. Just give us the facts as you see them so we can engage in healthy debate. I'm sure there are some people who would use the same argument against hunting with dogs, or going fishing, or shooting.. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jigsaw 11,897 Posted January 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 (edited) I can just imagine all the pit men standing at the side of the pit,stroking themselves extensively to the match going on below them.......yeah thats how it works all right,ffs what kind of mind do you have.you do not understand how these men that created this dog,the ultimate canine ever bred,as said all ready,theres a little kink in your head if you think like that,most other arguments on field sports,could be construed that way so by anti hunting folk.i kept pits for 23 years and i never heard of anyone getting a hard on thinking of their dogs in battle lol. '' I have stated that those who are turned on by watching pit bulls fighting are little better than nonces'' how do you know dog men are ''turned on'' by watching pit bulls fighting? have you been in the company of men that did partake pleasure from this illegal activity?Did you put your argument forward to them that they were peados?its still a really stupid argument your making in fairness. Edited January 11, 2015 by jigsaw 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,436 Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 Gnasher, seems to me like you are running away from the 'fight'. I have stated that those who are turned on by watching pit bulls fighting are little better than nonces.You strongly disagree. So tell us why.I don't expect you to incriminate yourself. Just give us the facts as you see them so we can engage in healthy debate. That's the exact attitude the antis have towards to hunters... Give your head a shake 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,455 Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 Gnasher, seems to me like you are running away from the 'fight'. I have stated that those who are turned on by watching pit bulls fighting are little better than nonces.You strongly disagree. So tell us why.I don't expect you to incriminate yourself. Just give us the facts as you see them so we can engage in healthy debate. No way i can incriminate myself when im not doing anything wrong so im up for healthy debate on subjects of interest......so where to start...........im not even going to comment on the " turned on by watching pit bulls fighting are little better than nonces " statement you made......i,ll give you the benefit of the doubt and say your lack of information led you to make an absurdly silly comment that doesnt really need explaining ! I don't really know what you mean with " running away from the fight " so i cant comment on that. I cant give you facts i can only give you my opinion,but in 30 odd years having similar conversations as these i am yet to hear 1 single person convince me that serious organised dog matching between responsible and knowledgable people is cruel.......i accept some folk think it is but its usually based on lack of understanding of the breed,or lack of understanding of competitive sport......which angle do you point a finger of cruelty from ?......fighting as a sport ?.....in which case do you also think boxing and/or other human combat sports are cruel ?...........or purely animal ? in which case do you think that Greyhound racing/horse racing/terrier work etc etc is cruel ? Don't get me wrong i think dog matching CAN be cruel if .... A....Dogs are used which are not bred off of direct fighting stock. B....Dogs are used who have not been schooled or conditioned correctly. C....Recognised rules are not adhered to. D....Dogs do not receive immediate and correct aftercare. Apart from that no i do not see that 2 purpose bred fit healthy dogs of equal size fought under organised rules between knowledgable responsible people providing the best of conditions before during and after battle should automatically be presumed cruel......fighting is a natural order of life that man has adapted towards a sport that under the correct conditions i see no cruelty in....human or animal...................that doesn't mean i take part in any such sport or ever have done it is simply as you call it " healthy debate "........so theres my opening statement i look forward to yours 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MickC 1,825 Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 I wouldnt let any kid stand in the middle of a group of dogs no matter what the breed of them. Them dogs in the link look more like Bullys to me,little bit of pit in them and crossed with other breeds to bring out freakish looks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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