Electric Dog Training Collars.

[Giro 2,648]

Ive been around dogs all my life so what i write is not based on hearsay or what ive heard .Ive trained gun dogs ,lurchers ,hounds and terriers and never come across anything that needed other than conventional methods .If your dog is chasing sheep you havnt stock broke it early enough neither have you instilled any recall .Dress it up all you like but im afraid i know different .The lad that tried the collar fair play ,he now has a different perspective on it .I repeat to all you collar addicts ,try it and see what you think .I once saw a well known gun dog breeder reduced to tears on a mild setting so have a go .

It seems to be the way of the world these days for a quick fix. Tell me what happens when your dog riots out of range or you think its cured . Far better to instill obedience at the correct age than to try to correct your own short comings later on .

 

Foxdropper the dog was out with sheep since it was jabbed..

 

It had a perfect recall and would not have been to shabby at field trials..

 

At 2 and half it just went rogue for them.

 

It just decided it was going to pull them down and try and kill them - when it felt like it..

 

I done graded exposure on the lead , with long leads , walking to heal..

 

I had it in the sheep 4 times one day 25 mins each time..

 

Now i had it to a point where it would walk through them and not touch them - but the next day it would..

 

I got it to the point where i could prevent it chasing at close quarters - but i knew it was desperate to go..

 

I could not trust the dog - I could not work it, there was to much at stake..

 

It had not chased a sheep for couple of weeks..

 

I walked to a fence and told the dog to jump - it did and out of no where like a skud missile into a flock of sheep.

 

I got heavy handed with it - let it go and it would piled right in again, wagging its tail.

 

I had two friends have a crack with her and see what they could make of it..

 

It took one good wack off the collar to cure it. I have seen folk (myself included) being more heavy handed with dogs.

 

One shock for less than 0.5 of a second - yeah its painful however no lasting effects..

 

This was a 3 year old bitch which i tried to fix over the period 8 months, before getting the collar.

 

The dogs never looked at a sheep since money well spent..

 

I am not dressing anything up at all..

 

I have been honest.

 

Touch wood its the only dog that given me any trouble with live stock..

 

If i could have fixed the dog with a alternative intervention, I would have done it..

 

Its easy stock training a puppy - its hard when ones dragging them about a field.

 

I don't accept that it was my failing with the dog - If it had been PTS I would have classed that as a fail..

 

I heard all sorts of shit about putting dogs in with Tups with a muzzle on - That type of shits going to injure a dog more than a quick zapp off a collar.

 

I have no moral hang up with using a collar , i am no duck egg or macho man..

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

Got to hand it to you mate ,you put forward a good tick in the 'for' campaign.

[Matthew Phillips 36]

Easy pet 380r i very one over a year and very happy with and very good price.

Likewise. I bought this one after i could not call my terrier off a chase. Rabbits, deer, hare, you name it....he was after it. In the first few months of using it the dog has transformed. He no longer goes on a lead. I take him most places with me.

 

What's important is that it shouldn't 'shock' the dog, it should be used to break the dogs focus of something else. (I use mine on 11 out of 100)

 

For me the way i used it, if the dog was chasing something i would shout NO, if he didn't listen i would press the transmit button. The next time he chased something i would shout NO, if he reacted to it i would not press transmit. He soon learnt that me saying NO was instructing him that what he is doing is wrong. I no longer use the shock but just the vibrate mode which is enough. It also has a useful sound mode which I've used to train him to come to me.

 

Anyone who says they are BAD are wrong. Anything can be 'BAD' in the wrong hands, be it knives, guns, etc...

[Matthew Phillips 36]

And further to back my argument up, buy something of decent quality and reliability and it will not harm your dog.

 

This is the collar I use, on the low setting battery life is phenomenal!

 

[jukel123 8,007]

I cannot see any moral dilemma.

You could logically argue that running hounds across rough country, jumping barbed wire, and uneven dry stone walls, or sending a terrier to earth to face a set of raking teeth, or running a lurcher on a lamp to possibly collide with all sorts of potentially injurious obstacles are all cruel practices. Shooting, fishing, ferreting ,in fact all field sports, include a degree of pain somewhere along the line for some living creature.

Livestock farming and the consequential slaughter of stock also involves cruelty/pain at some point in the process.

It's part of the human condition isn't it? It's what we do.Let's not deny it.

The vast majority of vegetarians are also implicated in questionable practices by wearing animal products or eating products fertilised with animal derivatives or having shares in companies (or buying products from them) with links to animal exploitation etc.

We are not a pleasant species, we can watch scenes of appalling human suffering and ignore pleas for a few quid in aid.

Saving a stock worrying dog's life by applying a small shock seems feck all to me. The dog ,in my opinion ,is being given a favour.

When I was a teenager ,my friends and myself used to time each other as we grasped electric fencing.(We didn't have much to do) lol. The lad who could hold on for longest got the macho prize.

Nowt wrong with electric collars in the hands of a sensible user. It's the same argument about guns, cars,drugs etc. They are good things in the hands of most normal people. The problem lies with the feckin eejits.

Edited January 6, 2015 by jukel123

[DigItDeep 15]

 

Well we run 30 hounds every week, a few of them need collars, & there is know one shocking the sh1t out of there dogs, a very light shock does the job just fine. it's very easy to sit there & say to train you're dog right but when a hound is half a mile or further away they can choose not to listen, then the collar comes in very handy. we'd be all day & night after dogs if we hadn't collars. so if you have a problem with using them, then don't, but don,t diss lad's that do.

How come dozens of huntsmen ,if not 100s, don't use them.

Just my opinion but if someone is bringing hounds out into country that need e-collars on them then they should not be out in the first place.

The huntsmen that is.

You say you can use them from half a mile if the hound is doing something wrong ?

What if that hound's behind a hedge or in covert killing a sheep etc. etc.

How do you know if the hounds wrong or rioting ?

Do you leave it or take a chance and press the button ?

Your advice is some of the worst I've ever heard regarding hounds and it's a pity there's people like that in the countryside giving hunting a bad name.

 

Regarding using them on terriers ?

For proper work (digging) a terrier must be reared from birth thinking it is the bravest, hardiest animal on earth.

A terriers true job is tough and he must have courage and heart. Anything that is used in a terriers up bringing that breaks their spirit IMO is counter productive to that terriers future as a worker. Whether that's beating him or using an electric collar every time he's done something wrong.

A terrier, any terrier, can be reared and trained to be obedient, stock proof etc. without in any way breaking his spirit.

 

I'm with Fox Dropper on this one (even if he does seem to enjoy electrocuting people he knows ,LOL.).

 

Well first off i'm not a huntsman. we're a gun pack and the hounds are divided between five of us. the problem we had wasn't that they were after sheep, it was getting a few of them back when a fox got away, there dogs that we bought when a few years old so weren't brought up with us as pups, but they were good dogs besides recall, since using the collars we've no problem calling them back, we hardly ever need to use them any more. and no i'd never press the button when i cant see the hound, i,d give it every chance first.

[coco 261]

 

Well we run 30 hounds every week, a few of them need collars, & there is know one shocking the sh1t out of there dogs, a very light shock does the job just fine. it's very easy to sit there & say to train you're dog right but when a hound is half a mile or further away they can choose not to listen, then the collar comes in very handy. we'd be all day & night after dogs if we hadn't collars. so if you have a problem with using them, then don't, but don,t diss lad's that do.

 

How come dozens of huntsmen ,if not 100s, don't use them.

Just my opinion but if someone is bringing hounds out into country that need e-collars on them then they should not be out in the first place.

The huntsmen that is.

You say you can use them from half a mile if the hound is doing something wrong ?

What if that hound's behind a hedge or in covert killing a sheep etc. etc.

How do you know if the hounds wrong or rioting ?

Do you leave it or take a chance and press the button ?

Your advice is some of the worst I've ever heard regarding hounds and it's a pity there's people like that in the countryside giving hunting a bad name.

 

Regarding using them on terriers ?

For proper work (digging) a terrier must be reared from birth thinking it is the bravest, hardiest animal on earth.

A terriers true job is tough and he must have courage and heart. Anything that is used in a terriers up bringing that breaks their spirit IMO is counter productive to that terriers future as a worker. Whether that's beating him or using an electric collar every time he's done something wrong.

A terrier, any terrier, can be reared and trained to be obedient, stock proof etc. without in any way breaking his spirit.

 

I'm with Fox Dropper on this one (even if he does seem to enjoy electrocuting people he knows ,LOL.).

I ain't got hounds and I've never mention hounds and there's no hedges on the welsh mountains lurchers are a totally different animal to a hound when it comes to killing atb

[RossM 8,119]

I had to use one on my terrier, she arrived with me when she was 8-12 months and f**k me she was hard work, took off for hours, I had to shock her once, now she comes back to the shout, it was a last resort for me, done correctly it should only be needed for a short period.

[the big chief 3,099]

I had to use one on my terrier, she arrived with me when she was 8-12 months and f**k me she was hard work, took off for hours, I had to shock her once, now she comes back to the shout, it was a last resort for me, done correctly it should only be needed for a short period.

my beddy whippet gh used to hunt up on the lamp i used it same way as you one shout and he is back at my side no problem they are a grate tool tbh but i would only use mine as the last resort and the unedgucated should read up on how to use one dont just put on and shock willy nilly

[brucemyster 75]

I picked up a springer 3rd hand, had been a family pet and not trained at all, fortunately it was not gun shy but as soon as it was off the lead it disappeared into the distance. I'm no dog trainer but I tried all sorts from treats to long leads and everything in-between, i finally asked a dog trainer who hinted at an e collar, I bought a half decent one off ebay and it only took half a day and I had a different dog.

He now comes shooting and beating regularly and is proving himself to be a useful tool, did his first unseen retrieve in deep cover last week. so he now has a happy life working throughout the pheasant season and bonus days on the pigeons, I don't think I personally could have turned him round without the use of the collar(others may have been able to have?)but his life has improved no end from being pushed from pillar to post and being left bored in doors to being out and about doing what he was born to do.

I have upgraded his collar to a DT micro systems as the cheap control unit gave up the ghost, it also has a better vibrate facility.