Newcastle V Sunderland

[Brigzy 1,298]

Max, were you REALLY at the Newcastle/Sunderland game ? The reason I ask is because I said I'd meet up with you and have a craic about dogs, football, South East Asia , etc and you said you couldn't get a ticket and wouldn't be there. Now I don't want to hear what streets your coach went down, or about the dead rat under the table ! No porkies, Max, just the truth. And remember, the greyhound game is a small world, were any of you aquaintences trailing dogs at Camois recently ?

Edited December 29, 2014 by Brigzy

[WILF 47,199]

Totally agree ive been to some of the big rivalries even around Europe....Fenerbache/Galatasary....Lazio/Roma.....Olympiacos/Panathanaikos......they make most of our derby games look silly.......from what i can see the Geordie fans look at it like many fans do and see it just about football and big numbers.....but numbers dont come into it.

 

The nastiness of West Ham/Millwall means the attendance will be far lower than even a standard league game and thats because your run of the mill football fan knows the history and choose to stay away.....your not going to take the wife and kids thats for sure the family enclosures will be empty !...our rivalry go,s way beyond football ....Max go,s on about 4 wins for Sunderland..... i doubt many West Ham/Millwall fans even remember the scores of games the day is about so much more than football,people come out to represent their communities its about the East End v South London not just West Ham v Millwall....2 communities who have so much in common yet who have been fighting each other over 100 years from the Dockers of the early 1900,s to the most heavily bombed area in Britain during the war years of the 40,s to the gangster rivalries of the 60,s to the football battles of the 70,s/80,s to boxing gym rivalries.......... football is a platform for the rivalry but its much more deep rooted than just football......even today if you are well known in either area your very careful about getting caught out in the wrong area the way the films have portrayed the rivalry in terms of the postcode wars is still how it is today for some people.

 

Millwall lost 6-1 to Norwich yesterday i wont be having " banter " with any Millwall fans about that simply because i can count the amount of Millwall pals i have on my thumbs its just not a rivalry that involves humour and piss taking like other rivalries these 2 areas are like mirror images of each other with just a river to seperate us we dont want to have " bragging rights " we want the other to suffer agonising pain and misery !.....ive looked closely at rivalries over the years as its a topic i find interesting and had many conversations with folk around the country at England games etc and im yet to hear people describe rivalries with anywhere near the intensity of ours......apart maybe from the Old Firm but then that gets complicated by politics as opposed to pure area rivalry......but going to tournaments with England and speaking with fans round the country the North East derby doesnt really even get a mention.

I'd say that about sums it up perfect !

[gnasher16 30,190]

 

Gnash, give the guy a break, he's only been into football the last two seasons ! And he supports Sunderland ! He hasn't a clue about being a real supporter of a home town club, or he'd be supporting that Mecca of boxers; Hartlepool !

 

 

Ive grown to like ol Max over the years his hearts in the right place even if his brains not sometimes .....admittedly he does come across like he,s only recently found his favourite club/area but thats ok he,s enthusiastic and he does at least go to football i like reading his posts on sport they usually get you thinking

 

You seem to know the score Brigzy but i disagree with the way you dismiss things as being unimportant and " only a game "......historically football is our national sport and part of tradition through the generations.....for many areas the football club is the central hub of an area that ties communities together regardless of things like race or wealth it brings people together who otherwise have very little in common.....following the game has taken me to places i would never have been and meet people i would never have met.....the hooligan thing was a British culture that cant be denied no different to your punk,skinhead,mod culture......it was very important to people as your club was your identity......ok i accept its pretty much all over now and youngsters today missed the boat but i dont see any wrong in it myself,it will never be like it was but you will always get rivals going head to head thats just part of life.....for some areas football is all the rivalry is about but areas like where im from football as a sport could end tomorrow and the rivalry would be as strong as ever.......the " its only a game " attitude is usually taken on by football haters,hence you sounding like a fan i dont understand that.

[gnasher16 30,190]

Cant see it myself he dont seem like the going back type to me and its a big drop for him.... wouldnt mind grabbing him for the Hammers ! ....to be honest i dont really know what the Geordies problem is with him ive always thought he was a decent manager but then im not a Newcastle fan im sure they have their reasons.

[Brigzy 1,298]

 

Gnash, give the guy a break, he's only been into football the last two seasons ! And he supports Sunderland ! He hasn't a clue about being a real supporter of a home town club, or he'd be supporting that Mecca of boxers; Hartlepool !

 

Ive grown to like ol Max over the years his hearts in the right place even if his brains not sometimes .....admittedly he does come across like he,s only recently found his favourite club/area but thats ok he,s enthusiastic and he does at least go to football i like reading his posts on sport they usually get you thinking

 

You seem to know the score Brigzy but i disagree with the way you dismiss things as being unimportant and " only a game "......historically football is our national sport and part of tradition through the generations.....for many areas the football club is the central hub of an area that ties communities together regardless of things like race or wealth it brings people together who otherwise have very little in common.....following the game has taken me to places i would never have been and meet people i would never have met.....the hooligan thing was a British culture that cant be denied no different to your punk,skinhead,mod culture......it was very important to people as your club was your identity......ok i accept its pretty much all over now and youngsters today missed the boat but i dont see any wrong in it myself,it will never be like it was but you will always get rivals going head to head thats just part of life.....for some areas football is all the rivalry is about but areas like where im from football as a sport could end tomorrow and the rivalry would be as strong as ever.......the " its only a game " attitude is usually taken on by football haters,hence you sounding like a fan i dont understand that.

Gnash, I'm a fan of football in general, and I went through the phase Max is going through many years ago, back in the 60's. I've been through some serious situations in my life, including wars, so I put things in perspective , and football is "only a game". I enjoy going to games, but I will probably enjoy the rugby World Cup games that will be played at St James next year even more. I can't understand a grown man like Max calling people scum simply because they live in a different town. I go to Sunderland games as well as newcastle , and often take in a Sunday league game. There was actually more atmosphere at the Liverpool game than there was against Sunderland .

[Brigzy 1,298]

Nothing to do with political correctness, Max. I've got freinds in Sunderland, and I spend a fair bit of time there, had some good lock ins over the years. I wouldn't dream of calling someone "scum" simply because they are from a different area. Maybe you come out with all this nonsense just to get a rise out of people, it certainly works for me !LOL! As I say there are far more important things than football, in my life, at least. Happy New Year.

Edited December 29, 2014 by Brigzy

[gnasher16 30,190]

Nothing to do with political correctness, Max. I've got freinds in Sunderland, and I spend a fair bit of time there, had some good lock ins over the years. I wouldn't dream of calling someone "scum" simply because they are from a different area. Maybe you come out with all this nonsense just to get a rise out of people, it certainly works for me !LOL! As I say there are far more important things than football, in my life, at least. Happy New Year.

 

Again this where i see the difference in intensity of rivalries......as Max says its all tongue in cheek.......for some areas its just not like that and far too deep rooted to have banter about.....ive seen with my own eyes Millwall commit acts anyone would call scum,not just football fans but people from the area.......fellas of my generation from that area i dislike intensely as they probably do me its not really even about football it just runs through the generations and still applies to many of the kids today as its handed down as naturally as teaching your kids to cross the road......

 

Back in the late ,s my older sister married a Millwall fan and ran a pub with him about 3 minutes from the Old Den....it split our family apart and we didnt speak for years....id rather she married a black man ......it probably sounds pathetic to some but for me,my friends and family it was a massive issue !.....i suppose unless you have grown up around school rivalry/estate rivalry/boys club rivalry/work family rivalry etc etc its hard to understand.......of course it cant be compared to war but people are products of their environment and hatred can fester over lifetimes if its deep rooted enough.

[Brigzy 1,298]

 

 

Nothing to do with political correctness, Max. I've got freinds in Sunderland, and I spend a fair bit of time there, had some good lock ins over the years. I wouldn't dream of calling someone "scum" simply because they are from a different area. Maybe you come out with all this nonsense just to get a rise out of people, it certainly works for me !LOL! As I say there are far more important things than football, in my life, at least. Happy New Year.

Again this where i see the difference in intensity of rivalries......as Max says its all tongue in cheek.......for some areas its just not like that and far too deep rooted to have banter about.....ive seen with my own eyes Millwall commit acts anyone would call scum,not just football fans but people from the area.......fellas of my generation from that area i dislike intensely as they probably do me its not really even about football it just runs through the generations and still applies to many of the kids today as its handed down as naturally as teaching your kids to cross the road......

 

Back in the late ,s my older sister married a Millwall fan and ran a pub with him about 3 minutes from the Old Den....it split our family apart and we didnt speak for years....id rather she married a black man ......it probably sounds pathetic to some but for me,my friends and family it was a massive issue !.....i suppose unless you have grown up around school rivalry/estate rivalry/boys club rivalry/work family rivalry etc etc its hard to understand.......of course it cant be compared to war but people are products of their environment and hatred can fester over lifetimes if its deep rooted enough.

That hit the nail on the head, Gnash. There just isn't the same intensity in the rivalry between Newcasle and Sunderland. In fact most supporters don't even consider it a derby, they are two different cities miles apart. There ARE people like Max who make a big deal about it, but they are usualy kids who grow out of it. Washington, a new town mid way between Sunderland and Newcastle, is about evenly split in support, they work together, socialise together, go to school together and are even members of the same families. My best mate is a Mackem, and we sit and bitch about our teams over a pint, and as I said previously, there wasn't a hint of trouble at the recent game.

[Brigzy 1,298]

Max, before the game I was in the pubs on Percy street, there were Sunderland fans drinking and having a craic. After the game I was in the Gate, same again , Sunderland fans having a drink, no trouble. I ended up in the Bigg Market, and if there was going to be any trouble, it would have been there, but no, all fine. I've no doubt there would have been a few idiots from both sides shouting abuse at each other, but that's hardly rioting in the streets!

[marky b 309]

Forest v derby ,,is a bigger rivalry

lol I think chesterfied v Mansfield could be bigger tomo lol

[TUFFTY 1,476]

Since Sunderland have been playing away in London.

Every year 3or 4 coach loads turn up in my little town as they use the same hotel year in and year out.

There is never ever ever any trouble whatsoever.

I call these decent sort of the earth supporters.

Never seen a Sunderland supporter giving it the biggen.

[TUFFTY 1,476]

Seems to me that the big barrow that is used to carry all the bullshite around in has got a puncher.

[gnasher16 30,190]

Max, before the game I was in the pubs on Percy street, there were Sunderland fans drinking and having a craic. After the game I was in the Gate, same again , Sunderland fans having a drink, no trouble. I ended up in the Bigg Market, and if there was going to be any trouble, it would have been there, but no, all fine. I've no doubt there would have been a few idiots from both sides shouting abuse at each other, but that's hardly rioting in the streets!

 

Plod have it all sewn up these days together with football intelligence they liase with the clubs themselves on potential trouble games,if fans are able to get near each other then its simply because authorities dont deem it dangerous enough to warrant escorts......the cat c games will mean a police escort from the station/coaches etc.....a cat c plus game will mean dedicated transport laid on and monitored ticket sales as well as escorts they just dont take any chances with footie these days the football intelligence squads are alongside the drug squad in terms of their budgets and resources.........if Newcastle and Sunderland were able to get near each others pubs then its because its not deemed a " trouble game ".....plod rarely get it wrong and as Brigzy rightly says a bit of shouting and arm waving is not going to be taken too seriously.

[Brigzy 1,298]

Sunderland put on free buses for the fans, but I'd guess most came in cars or public transport, the Metro or the Trains. There is ALLWAYS a bit of shouting at the Central Station when these matches are on, but nothing that really causes a big disturbance. Some of the Sunderland fans only live the other side of the river, so could just jump on public transport to get to the game, so many were in town before and after the game, enjoying a pint and the craic. I had a pint with some Sunderland fans in Tiger-Tiger after the game, they were obviously cock a hoop at winning and taking the piss a bit, but no punches were thrown, no arrests made, in fact the were alright ! As for Max's assertion that Newcastle fans were running out of pubs to fight with the Sunderland fans, and being chased back in....... Well, I was in Newcastle from 11 am to 12. 30 pm, and in a fair few pubs, and didn't see any of that. Yes the usual idiots shouting at each other, but they would probably shit themselves if a punch were thrown.