Pointer X Greyhounds

[MagyarAgar 88]

One of my biggest regrets is that I did not find the GWP sooner, what an amazing breed they are. They do not suit everyone and the first one I had, if I had any hair left I would have lost it when training him. In reality it was him training me. I used him with the hawk, ferreting, pigeon shooting, duck flighting, walked up woodcock, long netting in the day where he would point rabbits in bushes then I would set nets where I thought the rabbits would bolt too, then tell him to flush, even picking up. The amount of different jobs they are able to do is phenomenal, but they not only do them, but do them well.

 

For a rabbit and lamping dog a rangy half cross would be an asset given that they would be able to do so many other jobs as well.

 

TC

 

 

So very true, the english translation is not that accurate. They are not "only" pointers, here in Germany they are called "Deutsch Drahthaar" which is a

description of their coat, and means german rough coat. And over here they are used and "advertised" as a versatile all purpose hunting dog.

[coco 261]

 

One of my biggest regrets is that I did not find the GWP sooner, what an amazing breed they are. They do not suit everyone and the first one I had, if I had any hair left I would have lost it when training him. In reality it was him training me. I used him with the hawk, ferreting, pigeon shooting, duck flighting, walked up woodcock, long netting in the day where he would point rabbits in bushes then I would set nets where I thought the rabbits would bolt too, then tell him to flush, even picking up. The amount of different jobs they are able to do is phenomenal, but they not only do them, but do them well.

 

For a rabbit and lamping dog a rangy half cross would be an asset given that they would be able to do so many other jobs as well.

 

TC

 

 

So very true, the english translation is not that accurate. They are not "only" pointers, here in Germany they are called "Deutsch Drahthaar" which is a

description of their coat, and means german rough coat. And over here they are used and "advertised" as a versatile all purpose hunting dog.

what are the best hunting lines in the uk at the moment because the show people like these as much as the hunter atb

[Tiercel 6,986]

 

One of my biggest regrets is that I did not find the GWP sooner, what an amazing breed they are. They do not suit everyone and the first one I had, if I had any hair left I would have lost it when training him. In reality it was him training me. I used him with the hawk, ferreting, pigeon shooting, duck flighting, walked up woodcock, long netting in the day where he would point rabbits in bushes then I would set nets where I thought the rabbits would bolt too, then tell him to flush, even picking up. The amount of different jobs they are able to do is phenomenal, but they not only do them, but do them well.

 

For a rabbit and lamping dog a rangy half cross would be an asset given that they would be able to do so many other jobs as well.

 

TC

 

 

So very true, the english translation is not that accurate. They are not "only" pointers, here in Germany they are called "Deutsch Drahthaar" which is a

description of their coat, and means german rough coat. And over here they are used and "advertised" as a versatile all purpose hunting dog.

 

I read an article once about the origin of the Drahthaar, the article stated that when they decided on a standard for the breed they decided that only liver and white and liver and tic was acceptable. Any black and white pups were PTS. However the jeagers working in the forestry in Munster asked if they could have the pups as they did not care what the dog looked like as long as they worked. The black and white dogs then went on to become the Large Munsterlander. Just wondering what the truth is?

 

TC

[Tiercel 6,986]

 

 

One of my biggest regrets is that I did not find the GWP sooner, what an amazing breed they are. They do not suit everyone and the first one I had, if I had any hair left I would have lost it when training him. In reality it was him training me. I used him with the hawk, ferreting, pigeon shooting, duck flighting, walked up woodcock, long netting in the day where he would point rabbits in bushes then I would set nets where I thought the rabbits would bolt too, then tell him to flush, even picking up. The amount of different jobs they are able to do is phenomenal, but they not only do them, but do them well.

 

For a rabbit and lamping dog a rangy half cross would be an asset given that they would be able to do so many other jobs as well.

 

TC

 

So very true, the english translation is not that accurate. They are not "only" pointers, here in Germany they are called "Deutsch Drahthaar" which is a

description of their coat, and means german rough coat. And over here they are used and "advertised" as a versatile all purpose hunting dog.

what are the best hunting lines in the uk at the moment because the show people like these as much as the hunter atb

 

At the moment you have many dogs that are duel champions field trial and show bench. As yet the kennel club has not changed the standard of the breed from the working standard.

 

Kimmax Are a good kennel and they have Drahthaars and GWP's they have some good German imports of top Drahthaars. Maxine at Kimmax is very helpful and knowledgeable about GWP's and is willing to spend time talking to anyone.

 

TC

[Dabhand 887]

How many boys have pointer blood in their lurchers

 

how do they find them for stamina on the hill/moors ive heard they are hard to stock break as they are very head strong

[trenchfoot 4,243]

 

 

One of my biggest regrets is that I did not find the GWP sooner, what an amazing breed they are. They do not suit everyone and the first one I had, if I had any hair left I would have lost it when training him. In reality it was him training me. I used him with the hawk, ferreting, pigeon shooting, duck flighting, walked up woodcock, long netting in the day where he would point rabbits in bushes then I would set nets where I thought the rabbits would bolt too, then tell him to flush, even picking up. The amount of different jobs they are able to do is phenomenal, but they not only do them, but do them well.

 

For a rabbit and lamping dog a rangy half cross would be an asset given that they would be able to do so many other jobs as well.

 

TC

 

 

So very true, the english translation is not that accurate. They are not "only" pointers, here in Germany they are called "Deutsch Drahthaar" which is a

description of their coat, and means german rough coat. And over here they are used and "advertised" as a versatile all purpose hunting dog.

 

I read an article once about the origin of the Drahthaar, the article stated that when they decided on a standard for the breed they decided that only liver and white and liver and tic was acceptable. Any black and white pups were PTS. However the jeagers working in the forestry in Munster asked if they could have the pups as they did not care what the dog looked like as long as they worked. The black and white dogs then went on to become the Large Munsterlander. Just wondering what the truth is?

 

TC

 

I think your are mixing them up with German long haired pointers. I've seen livers turn up in large munsterlander litters, even though breed standard states only black and white. That pup went on to do very well as an all round gun dog too

[albert64 1,882]

mines got it in him,d&n had one out of the same litter
easy to train great nose and stamina, was marking rabbits at 4 1/2 moth old

he was a doddle to break to stock, very loyal dog

but I don't know how much is supposed to be in there

Edited December 23, 2014 by albert64

[jukel123 7,957]

I may start the verbal missiles flying but, in my opinion, compared to springers and cockers AT HUNTING AND FLUSHING game, your average GWP comes in a very poor second. I don't doubt they have other attributes and that they primarily point rather than flush, but, from those I've seen in the flesh, and on video, an average springer will outperform your average GWP every time on the shooting field. The temperament of modern springers is such that they are almost intuitive-they know what's expected and are desperate to please. I've found GWP's to have a mind of their own and to possess a 'Feck You' attitude towards their trainers. A friend of mine has three and is generally a canny man with a gun dog ,but he's resorted to an electric collar on all three. Another mate has one and is forever cursing and pulling his hair out with his. Definitely not a relationship I'd like with a dog.

That said, I've no doubt they make first class lurchers when greyhound blood is added. People assume greyhounds are thick, and track dogs appear to be. But that's because they've never been socialised in the way most pet or working dogs are. Greyhounds which have time spent on them are biddable and sensitive creatures. The combination of GWP and greyhound,as has been shown, can make a cracking multi-purpose lurcher.

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

I may start the verbal missiles flying but, in my opinion, compared to springers and cockers AT HUNTING AND FLUSHING game, your average GWP comes in a very poor second. I don't doubt they have other attributes and that they primarily point rather than flush, but, from those I've seen in the flesh, and on video, an average springer will outperform your average GWP every time on the shooting field. The temperament of modern springers is such that they are almost intuitive-they know what's expected and are desperate to please. I've found GWP's to have a mind of their own and to possess a 'Feck You' attitude towards their trainers. A friend of mine has three and is generally a canny man with a gun dog ,but he's resorted to an electric collar on all three. Another mate has one and is forever cursing and pulling his hair out with his. Definitely not a relationship I'd like with a dog.

That said, I've no doubt they make first class lurchers when greyhound blood is added. People assume greyhounds are thick, and track dogs appear to be. But that's because they've never been socialised in the way most pet or working dogs are. Greyhounds which have time spent on them are biddable and sensitive creatures. The combination of GWP and greyhound,as has been shown, can make a cracking multi-purpose lurcher.

From a purist gun dog perspective I have to agree mate but how many springers are expected to pull wounded deer in the same season as pointing game for a falcon in the right environment.I've seen GWP take fox in the beating line and been impressed although the owner was horrified .Seen one stop a gut shot fallow buck too in fine style .Of all the miscelaineous breeds to add to a running dog this can only be to the good.All specimens I've encountered of GWP type have been headstrong as you say but to use the collar is to admit failure IMO.Good luck to anyone considering this cross .

[Tiercel 6,986]

I may start the verbal missiles flying but, in my opinion, compared to springers and cockers AT HUNTING AND FLUSHING game, your average GWP comes in a very poor second. I don't doubt they have other attributes and that they primarily point rather than flush, but, from those I've seen in the flesh, and on video, an average springer will outperform your average GWP every time on the shooting field. The temperament of modern springers is such that they are almost intuitive-they know what's expected and are desperate to please. I've found GWP's to have a mind of their own and to possess a 'Feck You' attitude towards their trainers. A friend of mine has three and is generally a canny man with a gun dog ,but he's resorted to an electric collar on all three. Another mate has one and is forever cursing and pulling his hair out with his. Definitely not a relationship I'd like with a dog.

That said, I've no doubt they make first class lurchers when greyhound blood is added. People assume greyhounds are thick, and track dogs appear to be. But that's because they've never been socialised in the way most pet or working dogs are. Greyhounds which have time spent on them are biddable and sensitive creatures. The combination of GWP and greyhound,as has been shown, can make a cracking multi-purpose lurcher.

So it would be fair yto say you have never owned one. People do get in a pickle when they first start training them, for the simple reason they do not know how to train a HPR. I was the same I have been training dogs from an early age spaniels, lurchers, labs even had a terrier that would retrieve duck off water.

 

At first I tried training it like any other gun dog and for the basics that was fine. It was when the hunting training started that the problems started. Most people who have never trained a HPR before are to be truthful obedience freaks they have to have a dog doing what they say at all times. They could no more contemplate that a dog knew better than them, than believe the moon is made out of cheese. Most of them do not have a clue how to use the wind yet alone teach a dog to do it. The fact that he used a collar on his dogs shows he does not have a clue how a HPR works.

 

He is trying to get them to work how he wants them to work. if you want a dog to work like a spaniel by a fecking spaniel and leave big ranging dogs alone. Some people find it hard to believe that a dog could be 3, 4 hundred yards away from you and still be under control, simply because once their spaniel gets past 30 yards they have to stop them or they will be flushing game out of reach of the guns.

 

But what they forget is that the GWP does not go around flushing game willy-nilly even if it is half a mile away from you and finds game it will come on point, and if trained properly will hold that point till you get there.

 

The people who say they are stubborn and hard to train, need a course in how to work with the dogs natural instincts not try and go against those instincts.

 

I found it hard at first but once I started listening to what the dog was trying to tell me, and a big dose of help from a HPR trainer in Canada we came out the other side both of us wiser.

 

TC

[jukel123 7,957]

Fair comment.

[MagyarAgar 88]

 

 

 

One of my biggest regrets is that I did not find the GWP sooner, what an amazing breed they are. They do not suit everyone and the first one I had, if I had any hair left I would have lost it when training him. In reality it was him training me. I used him with the hawk, ferreting, pigeon shooting, duck flighting, walked up woodcock, long netting in the day where he would point rabbits in bushes then I would set nets where I thought the rabbits would bolt too, then tell him to flush, even picking up. The amount of different jobs they are able to do is phenomenal, but they not only do them, but do them well.

 

For a rabbit and lamping dog a rangy half cross would be an asset given that they would be able to do so many other jobs as well.

 

TC

 

 

So very true, the english translation is not that accurate. They are not "only" pointers, here in Germany they are called "Deutsch Drahthaar" which is a

description of their coat, and means german rough coat. And over here they are used and "advertised" as a versatile all purpose hunting dog.

 

I read an article once about the origin of the Drahthaar, the article stated that when they decided on a standard for the breed they decided that only liver and white and liver and tic was acceptable. Any black and white pups were PTS. However the jeagers working in the forestry in Munster asked if they could have the pups as they did not care what the dog looked like as long as they worked. The black and white dogs then went on to become the Large Munsterlander. Just wondering what the truth is?

 

TC

 

I think your are mixing them up with German long haired pointers. I've seen livers turn up in large munsterlander litters, even though breed standard states only black and white. That pup went on to do very well as an all round gun dog too

 

 

I think so, too.

 

 

I may start the verbal missiles flying but, in my opinion, compared to springers and cockers AT HUNTING AND FLUSHING game, your average GWP comes in a very poor second. I don't doubt they have other attributes and that they primarily point rather than flush, but, from those I've seen in the flesh, and on video, an average springer will outperform your average GWP every time on the shooting field. The temperament of modern springers is such that they are almost intuitive-they know what's expected and are desperate to please. I've found GWP's to have a mind of their own and to possess a 'Feck You' attitude towards their trainers. A friend of mine has three and is generally a canny man with a gun dog ,but he's resorted to an electric collar on all three. Another mate has one and is forever cursing and pulling his hair out with his. Definitely not a relationship I'd like with a dog.

That said, I've no doubt they make first class lurchers when greyhound blood is added. People assume greyhounds are thick, and track dogs appear to be. But that's because they've never been socialised in the way most pet or working dogs are. Greyhounds which have time spent on them are biddable and sensitive creatures. The combination of GWP and greyhound,as has been shown, can make a cracking multi-purpose lurcher.

 

I think, as already said: the GWP, GSP are all purpose hunting dogs. They are not specialists.

 

Another point to consider is that in Germany most GWP, GSP go into working homes, and some breeders do not even consider to give their pups

to none working homes. So these breeds have a fairly good working base to start off.

[pointer 543]

An interesting thread.

I've enjoyed my time spent hunting with Gwps and Gwp bred lurchers.

[smiles40 24]

I had a first cross gwpxwhippet quite racy very obedient lovely little dog but just didn't have the drive and was one of those dogs that was never in the right place,he was much happier when I rehomed him to a pet home,I went back to the beddy crosses they suit me better.

[beast 1,884]

 

why not take a litter of purebreds off her, provided you can find a stud of similar abilities to the dam? you will know exactly what you are getting, and by bthe sounds of it your bitch isnt lacking in any department which the pups could be improved upon?

I know, it might be a bit optimistic of me planning too far ahead, but I always end up doing it anyway. I haven't mentioned that I already have a pure dog lined up for her second/final litter, but I would like them to be more staggered age-wise as I find 1 pointer enough for my needs.

They are good dogs the pures, but there are areas where you could improve upon them for big game work. Bulldog blood should give a longer ranged hunting dog, as its been done a hell of a lot abroad, and when catching a wounded stag or a boar they will hold on that bit firmer and with no questions. That would pretty much sell it for me., but I hunt some very steep, very rough land, and I see the leggier dogs far ahead of the smaller dogs, plus if you have a dog of 30+KG on a beast, it will anchor it better than a terrier could ever do no matter how keen. Lurcher blood could help size as well as speed.

Ive done enough with my bitch to see room for improvements in these areas. But these dogs are amazing when you consider how versatile they are, and awesome gundogs.

 

 

fair points mate, and obviously you know the bitch whereas i dont. good luck getting what you want