Kosher slaughter

[Guest WILF]

Does that make me a racist? hope not, i hope that things like this will prompt a bit of action from like minded people when the "gay gordon" dances his last tune at the next election.

 

Last time a few like minded people got together to stop others doing what they had done for 1000s of years we got the ban

[Guest Ditch_Shitter]

:clapper: Now That Was f*cking astute, Wilf! I Liked that one!

[ginga john 268]

Fair play to you wilf, i also have no faith in Societys process' any more,

[sandymere 8,263]

As a minority myself, i think hare coursing should be legal, as are most on this forum it comes as a suprise that some members are so anti other minority groups. Perhaps it would be better to promote minority rights as part of a move towards sane thinking rather than tar brushing! Then perhaps we wouldn't be post hunting ban.

[John Nolan 0]

The only thing I would add is that Halal has been discussed, studied, quantified, justified, condemned, etc. for a long, long time. You're not the first and frankly won't be the last to talk about it. I would recommend Dr. Temple Grandin's website, www.grandin.com, for a long hard look at the practice - click the "Ritual Slaughter" link.

Here in the States, we have to take an animal to a USDA approved facility for slaughtering for anything other than home use. I'd rather a Jewish rabbi with a sharp knife than a government bureaucrat with all his paperwork. Food use animals should be raised, processed and distributed at a local level, supporting farmers and countymen along the way. Death was never meant to be industrialized.

[Guest WILF]

Excellent post John

[martin 332]

As a slaughterman for well over 20yrs,I would just like to say that,for people that know very little about the actual act of humane slaughtering then,to see a jewish(Kosher)slaughter is to see a person with an immense amount of skill at work,and,they do take an immense amount of pride in their work,which is something that is sadly lacking woth most of our workers.I always thought that both Halal and Kosher slaughtering techniques were archaic,but,when you witness them first hand,the skills of these people are without question 'TOP NOTCH'!! And,sadly I have seen a hell of a lot of our own slaughtermen that certainly leave a hell of a lot to be desired.And just for GAZ.....there is no stun before the captive bolt,because that is the stun.

 

Thanks for the reasoned reply martin and the rabi's doing the cutting went to great pains to explain how good they were, but the point is if we ( the great unwashed) have to stun our animals before blood letting then why is there an exception that is contrary to accepted animal welfare standards just because of some archaic religious belief?

Surely in our society we adhere to accepted practices regarding the treatment of animals prior and during slaughter so why are there exceptions? it really is one rule for them and another for the rest of us.

I take your point regarding the dexterity of the slaughterman with his knife, but to simply bleed a fully concious animal is at obvious odds with our "usual" standard of welfare, maybe this is just another example in a very long line of instances that occur for the benefit of minority groups and no-one else.

 

I do agree with what you say mate,it is a case of one rule for one and a rule for another.I don't agree that this should be that case,but,as I said they do take their job very seriously and are excellent at it.I dont agree that it should be like that,but,it did seem like some people were commenting about something they know nothing about..........cheers martin.

[higgins 75]

OK,what i want to know is have the RSPCA 'EVER' been involved with any religous slaughtering in recent times,being so righteous and all that,have they ever got involved in any of these cases involving muslims or jews?I'm sure they would have plenty of opportunities to catch them at it,but would the RSPCA turn a blind eye in the guise of respecting religious preferences, or would they still see the offence first and prosecute regardless of religion?

Higgins.

[Guest Macnas]

Political discretion, and knowing which side their bread is buttered on.

 

The SPCA's of this world are much happier persecuting ordinary people like us who have no influence, power or money. It's easier isn't it?

[nelson 0]

I'm sorry but if someone is going to kill an animal, no matter how they did it, i couldn't condemn them.

 

If the Arab's or Jew's want to butcher they're meat that way so what,.

 

I blame the animal for being at the wrong end of the food chain myself.

 

How and where it is done is pretty much irrelevant as long as it tastes alright.

 

After all, if God had not intended us to eat Animals, he would not have made them out of food

[tunny 0]

i was in africa earlyer this month at the end of ramadan and spent the celibrations in a compound with 5 muslim familys.

i was pressent through out the whole process from market to plate. i must say that the goat and sheep had more stress being took too the compound in the motor than anything after that. they wear treated with respect from start to finish and death only took 10 to 15 seconds. Now think how stressed a bolting rabbit is with a ferret hanging on its arse. LIVE AND LET LIVE I SAY

[cúagusgiorraí 57]

I have been thinking about this subject lately and have to put my hand up and say that I was wrong.

If slaughtering with that method was ok back then, then why not now? If the religion states that it should be done that way, then who am I to say that it is wrong.

I was thinking it may not be the most clean method but it still does the job. For example, if one culture eats with their hands and I say that they should change and use a fork, is that not arrogant of me? Both methods do the same thing. I now have thought it over and would have no problems performing this method of slaughter.

[new2hunting 0]

if its religion then its alright but we get a hunting ban? the law is one sided :realmad: we should make a religion not being harsh but religion is something some one at one time made up but i do believe religion teaches you live and let live and in the bible god said man has control over all the animals. trust me i did GCSE R.E

[leegreen 2,149]

I watched a program about halal meat, well it was about a muslim boot camp type of thing and the whole idea about halal is that the animal should have the best most peaceful rearing preferably organic and when it come to slaughter it sould die without fear, something that no animal that goes to any abattoir will have the pleasure of doing abattoirs are awfull places animals scwealling bleeting and mooing in fear. The idea of halal is good but its never going to happen, abattoirs are to busy.

[Guest little lurcher]

if you can watch the series KILL IT COOK IT EAT IT very educational