Brigzy 1,298 Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 if a british solider is captured and tortured is it still justified? torture by its very nature is ineffective and one of the most useless ways to gain intelligence... due to the fact that those being tortured will say anything to stop the torture. if you have to deal with an enemy, kill him or bring him before the courts and give him a fair trail.......anything else and your just as bad as the "Terrorist". Apart from the last sentence, straight from the Amnesty International/Liberty manual. just common sense fella If torture is so ineffective, why have the most advanced societies in the world carried on with it ? Yes, it is out of favour with "civilised society", but they still depend on it to protectect their people, even when those people shun it. Ask those people who shun torture if they would condone it if it prevented one of their loved ones being beheaded.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,763 Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 If the intelligence agencies consider it an effective tool in counter terrorism then I for one fully support them. I dare say much worse has gone on unofficially in the past. The only reason this has become such a big thing is because the yanks did it on a scale not seen for quite a while! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
riohog 5,701 Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 i an not sure if its justified or not , but one thing for sure , if someone was waving a cattle prod around my knackers id be telling them quick time what they wanted to know 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lanesra 3,994 Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 I Know Who Id Rather Be Interegated By . . These Terrorists Have No Rules Or Regulations , And If Just 1 Person Is Saved Crack On & Do What's Necessary . . Or They Could Just Get Them A Lawyer & They Answer Each Question With "No Comment" & Released In 48hrs To Butcher Or Bomb Innocent People . . I Bet Thousands Of People Are Living Today Because Of Information Gained Through These Methods & Those People Don't Even Know They Owe There Lives to This !! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brigzy 1,298 Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 If you've got three people knelt in front of you with their hands tye rapped behind their backs and they all know something you want to know, and you shoot one in the back of the head; believe me, the other two will kill each other to tell you what you want to know ! Yes, one prisoner will tell you anything you want to hear, but let them see that they will die, and they will tell the truth . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
smithie 2,443 Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 torture 1 man and save all the poeple that died at the twin towers or dont torture a man and let them die.. its a no brainer really as long as the person suffering the tourture is belived to be the correct man to get the info from. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lloyd90 509 Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 It's just a little bit worrying when you think ... what if the government one day does something big, something to take away our rights and freedoms, I know we all complain about it being chipped away at but just imagine something big. What if you stand up ? Say enough is enough ? Take a stand ? ... you'd soon be branded a terrorist! It's act like the human rights act and the Geneva convention that may condone the way you'd be treated! I in no way think these proven terrorists deserve to be treated well for what they have done, especially proven killers and murderer's of innocent, and I don't want to start an argument ... but the thought worries me 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brigzy 1,298 Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 It's just a little bit worrying when you think ... what if the government one day does something big, something to take away our rights and freedoms, I know we all complain about it being chipped away at but just imagine something big. What if you stand up ? Say enough is enough ? Take a stand ? ... you'd soon be branded a terrorist! It's act like the human rights act and the Geneva convention that may condone the way you'd be treated! I in no way think these proven terrorists deserve to be treated well for what they have done, especially proven killers and murderer's of innocent, and I don't want to start an argument ... but the thought worries me You're correct; give anyone power and they WILL eventually abuse it. But at the end of the day, people like you and me are more likely to never fall foul of the authorities , apart from maybe braking the Hunting Act, whereas people who end up in Guantanamo Bay or some "black prison" usually deserve to be there . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lloyd90 509 Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 It's just a little bit worrying when you think ... what if the government one day does something big, something to take away our rights and freedoms, I know we all complain about it being chipped away at but just imagine something big. What if you stand up ? Say enough is enough ? Take a stand ? ... you'd soon be branded a terrorist! It's act like the human rights act and the Geneva convention that may condone the way you'd be treated! I in no way think these proven terrorists deserve to be treated well for what they have done, especially proven killers and murderer's of innocent, and I don't want to start an argument ... but the thought worries me You're correct; give anyone power and they WILL eventually abuse it. But at the end of the day, people like you and me are more likely to never fall foul of the authorities , apart from maybe braking the Hunting Act, whereas people who end up in Guantanamo Bay or some "black prison" usually deserve to be there . Don't dispute it at all mate, those individuals are obviously 'no gooduns' ... I just worry how the difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter all depends on which side your on. Maybe it's just me but it's a thought that concerns me Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brigzy 1,298 Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 Che Guevara is a hero, yet Fidel Castro is the "commie enemy", but they were brothers in arms to liberate Cuba from the "capitalists" ! Strange how history sees things.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lloyd90 509 Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 Nelson Mandela was a terrorist ... Then they made him the president ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brigzy 1,298 Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 Many people think Tony Blair is a war criminal, yet he is now the "Middle East Peace Envoy" ..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brigzy 1,298 Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 Communism was also a new concept to Europe when Marx wrote his Manifesto. Theoretically wonderfull; practically insane. Even the Russians, Chinese, Vietnamese, Cambodians, et al, corrupted communism into dictatorship. Cuba made a good go of it, but the Americans were determined to make it fail. They could not have anything but capitalism in the Americas to support there Kensyian policy to make the Dollar the world currency. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tiercel 6,986 Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 Communism was also a new concept to Europe when Marx wrote his Manifesto. Theoretically wonderfull; practically insane. Even the Russians, Chinese, Vietnamese, Cambodians, et al, corrupted communism into dictatorship. Cuba made a good go of it, but the Americans were determined to make it fail. They could not have anything but capitalism in the Americas to support there Kensyian policy to make the Dollar the world currency. A little bit of information for you, there has never been, nor will there ever be a communist country. They are all state capitalist, yet another example of politicians ruling the masses for their own benefit. TC Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mickey Finn 3,012 Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 Just watching the director of the CIA explaining why they tortured the terrorists held by them, so what are your opinions on the torture of terrorists I think it's a useful tool in the box. ATB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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