Foreign Dogs

[Brigzy 1,298]

 

Most of them countries have their own breeds yet still add British blood by mating or using a Brit dog in the pack

 

Stand to be corrected here but ain't most of the Ozzie blood descended from imported british dogs?

There will be few hunting dogs throughout the world that cannot trace common ancestory to Britain,some yet few?.

 

I agree that countries colonised by Britain, such as Oz and the US, that would be the case; but places like Central Asia, the Middle East, Europe have had their versions of running dogs, sight hounds for thousands off years.

[morton 5,368]

 

 

Most of them countries have their own breeds yet still add British blood by mating or using a Brit dog in the pack

 

Stand to be corrected here but ain't most of the Ozzie blood descended from imported british dogs?

There will be few hunting dogs throughout the world that cannot trace common ancestory to Britain,some yet few?.

 

I agree that countries colonised by Britain, such as Oz and the US, that would be the case; but places like Central Asia, the Middle East, Europe have had their versions of running dogs, sight hounds for thousands off years.

 

Ive seen so many documentaries,thank feck for Attenborough,that show hunting jukels that show similiar physique,from the Americas to Asia,red and tanned coloured jukels that look like Whippet Curs,bred and utilised for purpose over centuries.Then there is the Saluki types,pharoah hounds in 3,000 year old script etc.I still believe Britain as had the biggest influence on hunting jukels throughout the world?.

[Brigzy 1,298]

 

 

 

Most of them countries have their own breeds yet still add British blood by mating or using a Brit dog in the pack

 

Stand to be corrected here but ain't most of the Ozzie blood descended from imported british dogs?

There will be few hunting dogs throughout the world that cannot trace common ancestory to Britain,some yet few?.

 

I agree that countries colonised by Britain, such as Oz and the US, that would be the case; but places like Central Asia, the Middle East, Europe have had their versions of running dogs, sight hounds for thousands off years.

 

Ive seen so many documentaries,thank feck for Attenborough,that show hunting jukels that show similiar physique,from the Americas to Asia,red and tanned coloured jukels that look like Whippet Curs,bred and utilised for purpose over centuries.Then there is the Saluki types,pharoah hounds in 3,000 year old script etc.I still believe Britain as had the biggest influence on hunting jukels throughout the world?.

 

I respectfully disagree. Because Britain had such a huge Empire, it was us bringing in the best stock available to improve our domestic stock. Also, lets not forget the celts brought their rough haired running dogs here from Europe, and the Normans brought their coursing greyhounds, and more recently the saluki arrived here, and has possibly been the biggest influence on coursing strains. There will be people with working type dogs in the desert, on the steppes, etc, that haven't even heard of Britain. These dogs will have been bred for millennia to be the best at there jobs. Anyhow, an interesting discussion.

[morton 5,368]

 

 

 

 

Most of them countries have their own breeds yet still add British blood by mating or using a Brit dog in the pack

 

Stand to be corrected here but ain't most of the Ozzie blood descended from imported british dogs?

There will be few hunting dogs throughout the world that cannot trace common ancestory to Britain,some yet few?.

 

I agree that countries colonised by Britain, such as Oz and the US, that would be the case; but places like Central Asia, the Middle East, Europe have had their versions of running dogs, sight hounds for thousands off years.

 

Ive seen so many documentaries,thank feck for Attenborough,that show hunting jukels that show similiar physique,from the Americas to Asia,red and tanned coloured jukels that look like Whippet Curs,bred and utilised for purpose over centuries.Then there is the Saluki types,pharoah hounds in 3,000 year old script etc.I still believe Britain as had the biggest influence on hunting jukels throughout the world?.

 

I respectfully disagree. Because Britain had such a huge Empire, it was us bringing in the best stock available to improve our domestic stock. Also, lets not forget the celts brought their rough haired running dogs here from Europe, and the Normans brought their coursing greyhounds, and more recently the saluki arrived here, and has possibly been the biggest influence on coursing strains. There will be people with working type dogs in the desert, on the steppes, etc, that haven't even heard of Britain. These dogs will have been bred for millennia to be the best at there jobs. Anyhow, an interesting discussion.

 

No doubt,yet modern hunting jukels,that is hunting dogs bred over the last couple of centuries owe much to their British bloodlines,Deerhounds,Pastorals,Terriers,Foxhounds,Staghounds etc.,have played a more important place in the development of worldwide hunters than the modern influence of the Arabic hounds,the Celtic influence often as its ancestory at home rather than further afield,still it will still have been heavily influenced by its wider European heritage,thus the modern hunting dog is more readily influenced because of its European lineage?.

[Brigzy 1,298]

I replied to this thread because the OP said Britain has allways had the best dogs; best at what ? I'd say Australia has allways had the best 'roo hounds, the US has allways had the best coyote hounds, the middle east has allways had the best gazelle hounds, Russia has allways had the best wolf hounds etc. It just seemed an ambiguous statement. Have we allways had the best rabbit dogs, best fox dogs, best deer dogs ? Who knows ? I think we were formost in the world for taking different breeds and crossing them and moulding them into specialised hunting dogs, but have we "allways had the best dogs" ? Hmm.

[morton 5,368]

I replied to this thread because the OP said Britain has allways had the best dogs; best at what ? I'd say Australia has allways had the best 'roo hounds, the US has allways had the best coyote hounds, the middle east has allways had the best gazelle hounds, Russia has allways had the best wolf hounds etc. It just seemed an ambiguous statement. Have we allways had the best rabbit dogs, best fox dogs, best deer dogs ? Who knows ? I think we were formost in the world for taking different breeds and crossing them and moulding them into specialised hunting dogs, but have we "allways had the best dogs" ? Hmm.

Good points mucker.

[General lee 979]

But aren't Australian roo hounds and American stag hounds descended from British dogs and I wonder how the original Irish wolfhound would stack up against Russian wolf dogs today and I mean the original Irish wolfhound not the modern version

[morton 5,368]

But aren't Australian roo hounds and American stag hounds descended from British dogs and I wonder how the original Irish wolfhound would stack up against Russian wolf dogs today and I mean the original Irish wolfhound not the modern version

Modern ancestory,the Russian Borzoi type wolfhounds have never played a major role in the the development of modern lurchers,why is that?,the Irish Wolfounds have been useless before the modern lurcher developed,over 200 years ago,the American Stags were developed from English Staghounds,possibly the finest exponents of that type of hunting,ever.I still cannot fathom why the original Borzoi played little influence in the modern Lurcher,especially with what it had to offer.

[Brigzy 1,298]

But aren't Australian roo hounds and American stag hounds descended from British dogs and I wonder how the original Irish wolfhound would stack up against Russian wolf dogs today and I mean the original Irish wolfhound not the modern version

Yes the Oz and US dogs are probably mostly descended from British dogs, but they took those dogs which had never seen a kangaroo or coyote and moulded then into the dogs they are today. So were those dogs the immigrants took with them the best, or did they breed only from the dogs that showed the aptitude to adapt to new quarry and conditions to create a better breed ?

[morton 5,368]

 

 

But aren't Australian roo hounds and American stag hounds descended from British dogs and I wonder how the original Irish wolfhound would stack up against Russian wolf dogs today and I mean the original Irish wolfhound not the modern version

Modern ancestory,the Russian Borzoi type wolfhounds have never played a major role in the the development of modern lurchers,why is that?,the Irish Wolfounds have been useless before the modern lurcher developed,over 200 years ago,the American Stags were developed from English Staghounds,possibly the finest exponents of that type of hunting,ever.I still cannot fathom why the original Borzoi played little influence in the modern Lurcher,especially with what it had to offer.

 

It'll be because they are fvuking awful to look at, and there ruskis lol

 

Handsome beasts and large,powerful and athletic to boot,can run over the Russian steppes,at speed and for long durations,good jacket and jaw,sensible and tough,yet they have played no part in lurcher development in the UK or abroad,mmm?.

[Brigzy 1,298]

 

But aren't Australian roo hounds and American stag hounds descended from British dogs and I wonder how the original Irish wolfhound would stack up against Russian wolf dogs today and I mean the original Irish wolfhound not the modern version

Modern ancestory,the Russian Borzoi type wolfhounds have never played a major role in the the development of modern lurchers,why is that?,the Irish Wolfounds have been useless before the modern lurcher developed,over 200 years ago,the American Stags were developed from English Staghounds,possibly the finest exponents of that type of hunting,ever.I still cannot fathom why the original Borzoi played little influence in the modern Lurcher,especially with what it had to offer.

 

I'd say that was because the Borzoi was restricted to the aristocracy, (didn't the Czar gift a pair to Queen Victoria ?), and weren't readily available. After the Russian revolution, the communists tried to destroy the breed, and it wasn't until fairly recently that they were rescued and bred back up again, but mainly as show dogs. So I'd say the rarity and expense stopped them from being used here for lurcher breeding. Also the size was probably detrimental. The Ozzies use them , and breeds such as Ibizans, to create fox dogs, but aren't as popular as deerhound and wolfhound crosses.

[morton 5,368]

 

 

But aren't Australian roo hounds and American stag hounds descended from British dogs and I wonder how the original Irish wolfhound would stack up against Russian wolf dogs today and I mean the original Irish wolfhound not the modern version

Modern ancestory,the Russian Borzoi type wolfhounds have never played a major role in the the development of modern lurchers,why is that?,the Irish Wolfounds have been useless before the modern lurcher developed,over 200 years ago,the American Stags were developed from English Staghounds,possibly the finest exponents of that type of hunting,ever.I still cannot fathom why the original Borzoi played little influence in the modern Lurcher,especially with what it had to offer.

 

I'd say that was because the Borzoi was restricted to the aristocracy, (didn't the Czar gift a pair to Queen Victoria ?), and weren't readily available. After the Russian revolution, the communists tried to destroy the breed, and it wasn't until fairly recently that they were rescued and bred back up again, but mainly as show dogs. So I'd say the rarity and expense stopped them from being used here for lurcher breeding. Also the size was probably detrimental. The Ozzies use them , and breeds such as Ibizans, to create fox dogs, but aren't as popular as deerhound and wolfhound crosses.

 

I remember a local lad that attempted to get them involved in the local hunting scene,useless on bunnys,never got into second gear at long gallops,mullered the local feral moggy,s and chewed up fox,s,yet lacked personality,drive and oomph,possibly their KC influence,id have loved to have seen a proper non KC Borzoi in the flesh,espaecially in the wide expanse of the Bronte moor.

[FERRETBOY 680]

interesting thread. I was wondering only the other week whilst watching some coursing in spain if any off our match dogs over here would compete with one of there galgo's. Whats going to happen to our coursing greyhounds, now that's a breed that's fecked because of the ban. Big shame really.

Edited November 30, 2014 by REW

[BIGLURKS 874]

My history is not all the best but was it not the roman ceaser that admired the British sight hound so much that they took a lot of them back and were traded between senators and giving as gifts too the Germanic tribes kings but on another note even with earth dogs some are sent too Europe USA and oz look at the patterdale

[TOMO 26,682]

interesting thread. I was wondering only the other week whilst watching some coursing in spain if any off our match dogs over here would compete with one of there galgo's. Whats going to happen to our coursing greyhounds, now that's a breed that's fecked because of the ban. Big shame really.

Just wait till cabron is knocking them over....