FUJI 17,327 Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 nice type edrdfeck sake whin saying it's a nice type and it's no his own dog Wouldn't believe it myself haha..half sister it is to my dogs Don & Swift lmao,i don't reckon he knows its out of my old dog ? 1 Quote Link to post
foxbolter 447 Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 Yer you are right and the collie of today wouldnt be so hard as the collie of years ago they would look prettier at work today but wouldnt be so rough at work because of trials they bred a bit weaker but not all when you breed first cross that haven't been done before its hit and miss I would think never bred one in my life atb joe Quote Link to post
ands 550 Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 Plenty of farmers out there who need their sheepdogs to be serious workers and gathering mountains off a quad rather than a pony or on foot has surly upped the workload of hill collies? 2 Quote Link to post
bird 9,970 Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 I think herding sheep and hunting require different attributes so stamina is just one of many re1uired. What do we want from à collie and what don't we want? well lets be honest , how clever as a dog got to be catch a rabbit , in the lamp most lurcher xs will knock few over, in the day any x will use its nose if given the chance , regards mooching ferreting . the collie gives a lot of brain,but as above do you really need that much, they give norm good feet+ coat, and nice mid size for a lurcher size,regards stamina they plenty of lurcher to lurcher bred dogs with good stamina, iknow lad who had salukix greyx greyx whippet x colliexgrey that would run all night long, and that had only bit of collie in its mix. I like(bit) of collie in lurcher same as bit of bull , it getting the right balance I reckon , to much of anything in lurcher can sometimes work against the dog, and you can get not what you rally wanted in the 1st place. 3 Quote Link to post
trenchfoot 4,243 Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 As an appreciator of the collie cross, I find these topics very interesting. When it comes to creating your "ideal" hunting dog, would you prefer to have a collie hybrid that can run fast, or a running dog hybrid with nouse and substance? I am genuinely not looking for an argument, but good old fashioned opinions. ATB Trench 2 Quote Link to post
Fieldsporthunter 1,864 Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 11th gen bitch 1 Quote Link to post
Fieldsporthunter 1,864 Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 Dam was a Kevin Rowlands 10th gen bitch Sire was collie grey 5 Quote Link to post
fluff 409 Posted April 18, 2015 Report Share Posted April 18, 2015 edrd what do ypu mean time warp im more forward thinking than alot when it comes to breeding good dogs , when the colie cross wasnt good enough i brought in the top class saluki cross , to blend in , then kept a good line catching hares roe whatever , i dont think thats time warp if anything forward thinking, any time you want to see time warp dogs there up here in the kennel, bring a couple of yours along ,be nice to se collie crosses like lana etc still got one mini shes six but still game and her son ,rex is six hees still agood stamp and doing the nessasary , top drawer dogs not time warp dogs ,but be good to se others simliar , Quote Link to post
dytkos 17,819 Posted April 18, 2015 Report Share Posted April 18, 2015 Good thread lads, keep it going! Cheers, D. Quote Link to post
Phil Lloyd 10,738 Posted April 18, 2015 Report Share Posted April 18, 2015 (edited) As an appreciator of the collie cross, I find these topics very interesting. When it comes to creating your "ideal" hunting dog, would you prefer to have a collie hybrid that can run fast, or a running dog hybrid with nouse and substance? I am genuinely not looking for an argument, but good old fashioned opinions. ATB Trench Good question Trenchfoot... Speaking personaly,..a handy collie lurcher,...should hopefully retain a good portion of collie sacacity,.. whilst being able to adapt to varying situations it encounters, in the manner of a sensible, versitile herder,..but,...it should still have a fair degree of physicality at its disposal,...and possess the nesessary amount of speed, to actualy catch its quarry Edited April 18, 2015 by Phil Lloyd 3 Quote Link to post
storm323 191 Posted April 18, 2015 Report Share Posted April 18, 2015 Some cracking photos you have Phil ! 1 Quote Link to post
foresterj 1,096 Posted April 18, 2015 Report Share Posted April 18, 2015 I think herding sheep and hunting require different attributes so stamina is just one of many re1uired. What do we want from à collie and what don't we want? I think hunting and herding are two sides of the same coin Joe, many trained Sheepdogs on upland farms have to work under their own initiative finding sheep up there and I reckon thats pretty close to hunting. Its only the catch your missing. Send an untrained collie among the same sheep and you'll get the catch no doubt. Whilst we identify the differences between herding and hunting im pretty sure the dogs don't. Just my opinion . 8 Quote Link to post
Phil Lloyd 10,738 Posted April 18, 2015 Report Share Posted April 18, 2015 (edited) Whatever the cross,...without a determined prey drive,...the entire exercise is destined to end in tears... The best of every type,...wants it,..craves it, needs it,..like a drowning man needs air..... Edited April 18, 2015 by Phil Lloyd 6 Quote Link to post
foresterj 1,096 Posted April 18, 2015 Report Share Posted April 18, 2015 I concur with the pub bloke. But where do the negative attributes come from Thought yours only had a quarter collie Joe, so I would be looking hard at the greyhound for the flaws? 2 Quote Link to post
gnipper 6,529 Posted April 18, 2015 Report Share Posted April 18, 2015 It would be some kind of greyhound. Definitely collie traits. Or possibly a Frankenstein combination, I'd have thought that greyhounds would be fairly simplistic in regards to temperament. Rather than ...okay example came across charlie in a patch of wood Dace ran the sheep wire neck and neck (accidental of course) he looked sideways at charlie and then exploded off into the distance, for a brief second i thought he'd worked out he could cut the charlie off at a gap at the bottom of the adjoining field until I saw a squirrel. He genuinely believed that Charlie was after his squirrel. This was a low point in my short Lurcher career lol. Have you ever ran him with another dog? Quote Link to post
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