Are The Police Allowed ??????

[gibbo1973 187]

just a quick word can anyone enlighten me ????

a few lads who I don't know but been told by a work colleague who knows them have had their firearms taken off them

and hes panicking the same

the Cleveland police have a new chief ,they got told that they have had it revoked because of past convictions ie car speeding,cautions etc

are they entitled to do it ????????????????

[CharlieT 32]

The simple answer is yes. Although you must remember that any revocation will be made formally in writing and will contain the reasons for such a decision. A decision to revoke will not be taken lightly and would have to be robust enough to stand up, should the certificate holder decide to appeal in court.

[bird 9,916]

The simple answer is yes. Although you must remember that any revocation will be made formally in writing and will contain the reasons for such a decision. A decision to revoke will not be taken lightly and would have to be robust enough to stand up, should the certificate holder decide to appeal in court.

thought its got to be criminal crime , not motoring crime,? and carnt see speeding revoking it, but if they did they have to come up with hell of a reason with speeding ,as you don't loose your driving/l unless 12 points or if you done over the ton maybe then,never mind revoking a s/c .?

[Alsone 789]

The simple answer is yes. Although you must remember that any revocation will be made formally in writing and will contain the reasons for such a decision. A decision to revoke will not be taken lightly and would have to be robust enough to stand up, should the certificate holder decide to appeal in court.

 

I'd consult the BASC, because I'd say yes and no.

 

Technically they have the power to remove guns from anyone and to revoke, the legality of the action though is different.

 

If they're going to revoke a certificate they must show they have grounds to do so. If they have previously granted a certificate to a person with a past conviction that they considered a "fit person" to hold a certificate, then if that person hasn't done anything to raise grounds for their suitability to be questioned, then I would say they are on shaky ground for saying they are not a fit person to hold firearms, when previously they have found that person fit and that person has done nothing to bring that into question.

 

My advice would be contact the BASC ASAP and get them to challenge these revocations.

Edited November 18, 2014 by Alsone

[gibbo1973 187]

yes its a strange one ,no doubt if he rest of the police forces imply this then a lot will be revoked without a leg to stand on

[charlie caller 3,654]

As with all these things, I suspect there will be far more to this than meets the eye, I very much doubt the police have decided to revoke the tickets of existing fac holders, just because they had a speeding fine or caution for a minor offence, previously disclosed, no I think if you look under the surface these individuals will have comited offences, after being granted.

[gibbo1973 187]

i'll ask when I get back to work but speeding offences ???????????/

[jacknife 2,005]

It looks like Durham have re checked all licence holders

 

They have issued licences to people knowing they had minor convictions in their past just like most forces do if its a minor one

 

But after a few problems like Horden it looks like there taking no chances now

 

It would be interesting to know how many certs have been revoked in that force in the last few year

[SportingShooter 0]

 

The simple answer is yes. Although you must remember that any revocation will be made formally in writing and will contain the reasons for such a decision. A decision to revoke will not be taken lightly and would have to be robust enough to stand up, should the certificate holder decide to appeal in court.

thought its got to be criminal crime , not motoring crime,? and carnt see speeding revoking it, but if they did they have to come up with hell of a reason with speeding ,as you don't loose your driving/l unless 12 points or if you done over the ton maybe then,never mind revoking a s/c .?

 

 

It can be for any behaviour that causes a concern,

 

I know of a few certificate holders that have had their certificate either not renewed or revoked because convictions for careless, dangerous or drink driving along with repeated convictions for things such as speeding that results in a ban or other court appearance.

 

The police see it as a trend towards disrespect for the law and with the new wave of care they seem to be taking over issuing FAC/SGCs, then these smaller patterns of behaviour may be the straw to break the Camel's back as it were,

[wilbur foxhound 480]

I remember back in 2000 a police officer telling me that you don't have to brake the law to lose youre gun licence, if you are seen even walking home from the pub 2 or 3 times drunk then thats enough , but I have heard of people losing it over driving offences, atb wf

[celticrusader 78]

Yes drink driving is the one I would bet on....big no no in their books and the cause of many revoked licences

[Cedric 132]

I hope there are no cops outside some of the pubs where our local shoots have lunch !!

[smithie 2,443]

would a 20 year old drink drive conviction stop you getting a licence?

[trigger2 3,145]

i know of a gamekeeper that has lost his gun license for drink driving. not sure of the other circumstances but he has also had his guns confiscated in the past and that was again after a drink driving episode.

[SportingShooter 0]

would a 20 year old drink drive conviction stop you getting a licence?

Doubt it if that's the only conviction on record,

 

Can never say for definite without applying.