bell 3,602 Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 Bit of a loaded question really as I wouldn't want to think some poor lad is in intensive care because of my boy but if it was down to a one on one fight then shit happens and I would rather him have been in a fair fight than out stealing .... Doesnt matter if its a fair fight or not mate if the other lad dies your boys doing a few years in the shovel as a criminal simple as that.....its a naive attitude to have to think when men or boys get in " fair fights " they are breaking no laws and its morally more acceptable...........to me a property crime doesnt even compare to a direct crime against a person.... but thats just my view When I say a fair fight I mean one on one not a gang of lads kicking the life out of somebody ... If a fight breaks out between two lads for whatever reason of course it's morally more acceptable than a pre meditated shoplifting crime for example ... and if he ACCIDENTALLY put some poor fukcer in the hospital then that's not a deliberate act and shit happens ... If he pulled out a bar and smashed the guys skull in then that's a different matter .......... Its always easy to let pride and ego get caught up in questions like this...........me id rather be told my boy had nicked some sweets than be told a kids life was in danger down to my son.....fair fight or not. The guilt of pinching sweets is a far easier thing to live with than the guilt of causing permanent injury in a straightener that i do know. Spot on Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socks 32,253 Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 The bottom line is we all have different values and levels of tolerance for our kids and right or wrong is seen differently in different people and areas depending on how and where you were brought up ... What some see as a kid being a ball bag but nothing more others see as a lad on the bad road to ever more trouble ... But who is to say who is right ... The people that have to justify is actions or not are his parents ... My final word on the subject purely from my perspective is that I would be disappointed if my boy behaved like that ........ 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
boyo 1,398 Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 what that kid did was not having a bit of fun bet none of you would have the same thought if it was your shop or family cleaning his mess up .to me it showed total disrespect and morals theres a big differance to stealing a few sweets and /or misbehaving to what that little moron did and half the trouble today is to many people think theres nothing wrong with acting like he did, and fact my boy was no angel skiving of school regular out poaching ,but if ha had did that i would have been thoughroughly ashamed and he would have had a sore arse for weeks . 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Qbgrey 4,097 Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 Ffs Socks IMO your right the kid needs a hideing Off his parents to bring him back into line He was out of order in this instance on many levels Dropping his trousers firstly His attitude Doing it on camera His arrogance towards the staff Theiving food and drink then causing a mess The worst of it all was he just did not care and you can tell his parents will not care as the kid has no fear of being caught. So over the next generation it will prob escalate and get worse Yes wev all done things but the fear was getting caught out Your family learning about it and then you getting a good hideing This kid has non of this fear because he knows he won't be brought to task by his elders and that is what's wrong here They breeding feral kids with no respect and we wonder why society' is on a downward spiral Then we have the THL lot twisting someone's morals from being right about this to oh you'd rather your kid killed someone in a fight ffs lol Birch the little fooker I say and all kids like him Society will benefit in the long run. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Qbgrey 4,097 Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 Spot on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,197 Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 The bottom line is we all have different values and levels of tolerance for our kids and right or wrong is seen differently in different people and areas depending on how and where you were brought up ... What some see as a kid being a ball bag but nothing more others see as a lad on the bad road to ever more trouble ... But who is to say who is right ... The people that have to justify is actions or not are his parents ... My final word on the subject purely from my perspective is that I would be disappointed if my boy behaved like that ........ I understand we all have different tolerance and values etc.....but i cant understand how anyone would be happier with the consequences of near fatal injury to the consequences of shoplifting.......and to be fair im not sure i want to understand it either. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,197 Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 Ffs Socks IMO your right the kid needs a hideing Off his parents to bring him back into line He was out of order in this instance on many levels Dropping his trousers firstly His attitude Doing it on camera His arrogance towards the staff Theiving food and drink then causing a mess The worst of it all was he just did not care and you can tell his parents will not care as the kid has no fear of being caught. So over the next generation it will prob escalate and get worse Yes wev all done things but the fear was getting caught out Your family learning about it and then you getting a good hideing This kid has non of this fear because he knows he won't be brought to task by his elders and that is what's wrong here They breeding feral kids with no respect and we wonder why society' is on a downward spiral Then we have the THL lot twisting someone's morals from being right about this to oh you'd rather your kid killed someone in a fight ffs lol Birch the little fooker I say and all kids like him Society will benefit in the long run. How many kids have you got again Max ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nothernlite 18,089 Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 What a lot of kids are missing is respect that's all it is some are brought up different from others respect and manners go along way in my eyes but wouldn't wish him hurt for what he did atb Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socks 32,253 Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 The bottom line is we all have different values and levels of tolerance for our kids and right or wrong is seen differently in different people and areas depending on how and where you were brought up ... What some see as a kid being a ball bag but nothing more others see as a lad on the bad road to ever more trouble ... But who is to say who is right ... The people that have to justify is actions or not are his parents ... My final word on the subject purely from my perspective is that I would be disappointed if my boy behaved like that ........ I understand we all have different tolerance and values etc.....but i cant understand how anyone would be happier with the consequences of near fatal injury to the consequences of shoplifting.......and to be fair im not sure i want to understand it either. I keep checking to make sure I am not writing in welsh as it seems I'm struggling to get my point across ... If my lad whent out and purposely targeted somebody and put them in a coma I would be gutted disappointed upset and I would feel that I had failed to bring my boy up as a responsible adult ... But if he is in a fight and through no fault of his own and purely by accident he puts a lad in hospital how can I be disappointed in him ??? ......... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nans pat 2,575 Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 love for your kids is unconditional..maybe a bit dissapointef sometimes but at the end of the day their your kids so why worry about other people you probly never see again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,197 Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 (edited) But if he is in a fight and through no fault of his own and purely by accident he puts a lad in hospital how can I be disappointed in him ??? ......... " Through no fault of his own "........" purely by accident " ?......he doesnt have to be there he can walk away ! If im having a fight with a big powerful man you better believe im going to be trying my absolute hardest to hurt him in such a way that he never dares try to compete against me again..........im a big powerful man myself so theres every chance this could go wonky for either him or me now are you telling me your boy fights without trying to hurt someone ? Accidents happen yes but when you are trying your hardest to hurt someone these things happen hence you go to prison for it......now id be more upset about my son doing 5 years for manslaughter than getting barred from the Co - op for shoplifting..........but as you say we,re all made different. Edited November 12, 2014 by gnasher16 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,197 Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 (edited) What's that got to do with anything Gnash It's knowing what's unacceptable IMO the youngster will grow up contributing nothing to society with his attitude He will prob breed more youngsters with even less respect than him unless the mother has more moral fibre. Society has went to shite the last 30 years IMO all down to do gooders letting youth get away with far to much knowing nowdays they can't be punished. Not everyone is blessed with such an angelic start in life where they just consult the do,s and dont,s list to make decisions Max........what happens when you take in a neglected puppy and it pisses on the kitchen floor or chews your furniture give it the birch and get it castrated or teach it the correct way to do things ?........and thats just a dog !! Edited November 12, 2014 by gnasher16 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wildling 520 Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 Gnash how about if this kid was to grow up thinking it's acceptable to act in any way he wants since he's never been disciplined and ends up hurting a relative of yours, is it still acceptable then? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bell 3,602 Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 Yes Gnash, your relative might be behind him in the supermarket when he lobs that bottle of coke over his head without looking, how would you feel then Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,197 Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 Chances are that lad won't be taught the correct way tho Gnash ? Probably not but is that his fault ?.....deserving of the birch etc ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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