Joe1888 672 Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 noticed my bitch had a alittle red rash on chin other day, she now also has lost part of skin on side of noise were its now red, skin has also started to crack on top of nose. if need be she will be at vets on monday, for now any advice would be appreciated Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socks 32,253 Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 Could be mange can you get a picture up ...... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joe1888 672 Posted November 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 no problem, she had a few bites that i posted about other day, could this be from cleaning/itching that area? thanks for the help Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joe1888 672 Posted November 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 (edited) skin around top of nose is worse today, also hair missing/pinkish above one eye.. Edited November 9, 2014 by Joe1888 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socks 32,253 Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 Difficult to tell from the pics .... It looks like a wet rash which would indicate eczema ... Vet job I reckon mate ..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sandymere 8,263 Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 How old is it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joe1888 672 Posted November 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 How old is it? 15 months Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sandymere 8,263 Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 I could well be wrong, it may just be a temporary reaction, but look and the age it would fit with a first presentation of atopic dermatitis. This is usually a contact dermatitis to things like dust mites that first shows between 1 and 2 years. I've had a dog with this; it was fine as long as he was kept off of carpets. We spent a long time on different diets with very mixed results to find out what he was allergic too, then went to stay with friends who had hard floors where the dogs spent all their time and he cleared up. From then it was only allowed on hard flooring in the kitchen in the house at night, he was kennelled out in the daytime and we had little trouble from then. I did a bit on this back along which might give you a little background. regards S Its long which may upset some lol. ATOPIC DERMATITIS Atopic dermatitis (AD) is an increasingly common and often misunderstood problem and as such one I thought might be worth a closer look. This is based on the fact that there have been a number of posts recently with eczema type symptoms being the central theme, in the majority of post the dogs would seem to be suffering AD type problems, indeed some had already had a veterinary diagnosis made. AD is an allergic reaction; basically the body has an exaggerated immune response due to an imbalance in the system which leads it to respond excessively to the allergen. It is thought that around 10% of dogs suffer with this and some breeds more predisposed than others. There is a genetic link in around 50% of cases with some breeds like the West Highland white terrier being very predisposed, some bull breeds are also beginning to show an increasing prevalence. So the first bad news, with such a high genetic link it would I would be hard to justify any dog having a diagnosis of AD being used for breeding. The disease first presents as just itching but this is usually followed by inflammation, and as the dog continues to scratch it begins to cause self harm. This can become infected with bacteria or fungal spores and a negative cycle begins. Commonly the ears and muzzle are sites of first presentation though occasionally other area such as armpits/forelegs or groin can start, these areas often start to show symptoms as the disease progresses. Most dog present from 6 months to 3 years although most are around a year old when the first trips to the vets are made There has been work on causative allergens and this is one area that is often misunderstood with the common cry of everyone’s favorite scapegoat gluten being blamed. Occasionally there is a food allergy that will cause the problem but in the majority of cases it is an environmental allergen that is the culprit with house dust mites being the commonest or and pollen for seasonal sufferers, fleas are now a less common factor. Now the second bad news, as the causative factor is usually environmental it can be difficult to avoid constant exposure, this means treatment is problematic with ongoing itching, skin damage and a poor long term prognosis. This brings us to treatment, the international Force for Canine AD recommends a multiple pronged approach to flare ups with steroid cream/ tablets, immunosuppressant drugs, like ciclosporins, non irritant baths and antibiotics/antifungals. There is evidence that the addition of essential fatty acids to the diet can improve symptoms in the longer term and some dogs are helped with antihistamines but this is very individual. With dogs that are allergic to house dust mites kenneling outside helps reduce symptoms and with pollen sufferers exercising on beaches or when pollen is low might help a little. For those that have a dietary cause then a strict change of diet to something like Skinners duck and rice, or a home made diet with a new protein with rice or suchlike, should show improvement. Avoid adding in herbal supplements as this just muddies the water, the diet most be very strict with absolutely no additions for at least six weeks. That means no supplements other than the fatty acids, not treats, table scraps, meat or bones or anything at all, basically just the food out of the bag. The easiest sensible fatty acids are from the local farm/horse suppliers who will sell Cod liver oil by the litre for around £20 which is a lot more sensible than a pot of pills costing a fiver that has about 10mls of actual oil. A teaspoon a day on the food should be enough if it is going to help. The last option is allergy testing followed with allergen specific immunotherapy, giving increasing doses of the allergen to build up acceptance from the immune system. This can be expensive and difficult for dogs continually exposed to environmental allergens. So in conclusion treatment should be led by a vet in the first instance as misdiagnosis are common.. Treatment can be time consuming and expensive, many dogs are put down due to AD, so a sensible approach needs to be taken, exclusion diets and reducing exposure to house dust mites and fleas are a good start. Wooden floors, clean dog beds or outside kenneling for part if not all of the day are easily implemented and often effective to the point of reducing the need for medication to a minimum. Lastly don’t breed from AD dogs or from litter mates of affected animals as severity of symptoms may not indicate genetic predisposition. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joe1888 672 Posted November 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 (edited) was at the vets for a second time the day, they think its to do with her diet... reckon i should try a different meat and see if theres a difference.. shes been on raw for sometime now without any problems, if it was related to what i feed her, surly it would have happend well before now? edit: as mentioned above, shes been given some steriods, will see how that goes Edited November 24, 2014 by Joe1888 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sandymere 8,263 Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 No as above it's the right age, could be diet but more likely environmental allergen, does it rub its face on the carpet? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joe1888 672 Posted November 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 No as above it's the right age, could be diet but more likely environmental allergen, does it rub its face on the carpet? laminate floor, could be the rug, ill try without for abit 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joe1888 672 Posted January 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 (edited) it cleared up, binned the rug.. just noticed past couple days it starting to show at side of mouth again Edited January 11, 2015 by Joe1888 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tb25 4,627 Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 Just read somewhere.now I no f all on this but can old engen oil kil mites on a dogs legs.sounds strange but..eny advise on this Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RossM 8,149 Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 Just read somewhere.now I no f all on this but can old engen oil kil mites on a dogs legs.sounds strange but..eny advise on this I wouldn't imagine so, have always been led to believe it can cause dermatitis and even skin cancer? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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