krawnden 1,036 Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 Francie bred Borzoi and yes she did just want a smaller version. They are all dna tested before you breed and were originally Sheltie Whippet Crosses which was then selectively bred to small Borzoi, the difference is that the breed has been kept pure. Now, in the States they race and course them and believe me they do very well. We have some racing for them here, they will chase rabbit or hare but you cannot chase hare round here, the farmers put up trip wires to stop it so, unfortunately it is just plastic bags or furry skins. Trip wires???? They must put up miles and miles of it if that's going to work ffs. Call me old fashioned but I think that would make it a tad difficult to get on with the business of farming - tractors, stock etc all having to move around the fields. 2 Quote Link to post
General lee 979 Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 I don't think zoribo really knows what they're on about seems abit caught up in papers and pure breds and trip wires to stop coursing haha if you say so mate haha 2 Quote Link to post
flynndog 543 Posted November 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 The bitch was bought from america by a person in germany who the man I know bought it off then brought the bitchnin frommgermany and yes they do have american kennel club papers, your just one of those small minded ring paraders and because someones a chance of getting something you have you dont like it ........ and trip wires really??? You need to get out more and look closely there aint trip wires believe me im down that way a lot I dont care how pure you think this breed is or how pure your dogs of this breed are the reality is they are borzoi x whippets that have been put to borzoi whippets which equals a cross which is not a pure breed ! Quote Link to post
strayshot 105 Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 Can't speak for the ones over here but I know from speaking to people in the US that there are some handy ones over there. The dog on the right in this pic is a silken. Apparently it is mustard behind a jackrabbit. Quote Link to post
mushroom 13,209 Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 Can't see the attraction if I'm honest! A wippet x borzoi wouldn't be my first choice for any type of quarry, except the dirty pots of course Quote Link to post
Stud dog 632 Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 Next thing they will be the next big thing putting them over everything an anything each to there own Quote Link to post
Chid 6,584 Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 What does borzoi offer workwise? I know of a few people with borzoi in there lurchers but dont really no why youd bother tbh 1 Quote Link to post
fluff 409 Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 had the pleasure to see a few silkens they have nothing to give to the working dog market ,as there better tried and tested dogs about ,most are show dogs and when out coursing some were poor ,but there will be some rocket trying to say they have a right good one for money and showing ,some look like alight built lassie collie , with no running style or brain , ask the keen coursing men in the states etc theyl tell you the truth Quote Link to post
krawnden 1,036 Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 What does borzoi offer workwise? I know of a few people with borzoi in there lurchers but dont really no why youd bother tbh The only way I can see borzoi as being worthwhile in a lurcher is if you wanted an out and out fox dog and had access to some of the genuine old Russian blood. But having said that I have no idea if they still course wolves with them over there - it wouldn't surprise me if it's been banned. But if there are still some proper working lines over there then I could see the logic behind using a dog like that to breed a foxing lurcher. But I find it very hard to believe that even if the old working lines still exist, anybody's bothered to import one to this country. My guess is that any lurcher in the UK with borzoi in its makeup will have come from dogs that are dramatically 'watered down' from their Russian forebears. All of which is a long-winded way of saying I wouldn't want anything with borzoi in it Quote Link to post
Brigzy 1,298 Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 Doesn't the modern Borzoi have rough Collie in its breeding, or is it the other way round ? Either way, I've never seen a Borzoi in this country, or the U.S. or Australiai, that was as good as a Lurcher or Staghound. Quote Link to post
forest of dean redneck 11,706 Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 If you wanted a fox dog ,there's plenty of bull crosses out there,if you want a rough coated dog,I'm sure a deerhound cross can be found, a borzoi is going to be harder to scource and top dollar. Quote Link to post
krawnden 1,036 Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 Completely agree redneck. I'm not suggesting you *should* go for borzoi breeding if you want a fox dog. Just that I can see the logic of going down that road if you've got access to the genuine article. Either way, borzoi's not a dog I'd want in a lurcher. Quote Link to post
arcticgun 4,548 Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 As it part lurcher and part whippet its therefore a mongrel, lurchers or long dog so why has the AKC decided it's now a pedigree lol at a guess money IMHO mix two sight hounds and you may get some degree of success but it would take years of honest sective breeding to get something worthwhile never mind sellable to others as workers a few races on lure not going to prove much at all and to say fens covered in wires sounds like a get out to me lol These sound a bit like them tumblers and other stuff people invent too sell crosses for more money could be wrong though 2 Quote Link to post
mushroom 13,209 Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 Lol tumblers,...... The dogs that do somersalts to strike at a rabbit FPMSL 1 Quote Link to post
bullmastiff 615 Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 The guys obviously keen to test his dog out, why doesn't someone living near by take him out? Even if it's just ferreting at least you/he gets to see if it's got anything to it? It's easy enough to talk down a dog from a photo. 1 Quote Link to post
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