inan 841 Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 What some do not understand is that although the fens may look featureless they rarely are. I have permission over a huge swathe of fenland and at first glance looks like the proverbial "wheat desert". But there are drains, dykes, fox holes and the odd hedge scattered across the land, not to mention game cover crops that remain in situ all season. Hares can, and do,use all these to their advantage throughout the course. I have a huge respect for all hares as the ultimate athelete. Those that talk disparagingly about hares i find have not run enough daytimes ones.... Early season hares can often be "mugs" and even when cover is near by they simply "loose their heads",but once winter is truely here and those hares have seen the odd dog etc then they are a different animal. I am not suggesting for one moment that a january hare is "fitter" than an october hare, just that , perhaps,they have a bit more savvy and their maturity helps them keep a cool head even when in between the front feet of a snapping lurcher...... My own dogs have been humiliated by hares up and down the country on all terrains...., small fields and fens alike... good hunting....JD I agree. J Darcy writes a good post highlighting the fact that hares find escape routes in drains pipes foxholes,and hedges.allof which is true.,a couple of pages ago you wrote."WHERE FIELDS ARE BIG ,LIKE ON THE FENS ,WITH NOWHERE FOR THE HARES TO ESCAPE",SO BY AGREEING WITH DARCYS POST ,WHICH IS ACCURATE,YOU CONTRADICT YOURSELF.DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHERE THE FENS ARE?iF YOU HAD ANY CREDIBILITY BEFORE ,YOU HAVENT ANY NOW! Link to post
hunter cammo 0 Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 What some do not understand is that although the fens may look featureless they rarely are. I have permission over a huge swathe of fenland and at first glance looks like the proverbial "wheat desert". But there are drains, dykes, fox holes and the odd hedge scattered across the land, not to mention game cover crops that remain in situ all season. Hares can, and do,use all these to their advantage throughout the course. I have a huge respect for all hares as the ultimate athelete. Those that talk disparagingly about hares i find have not run enough daytimes ones.... Early season hares can often be "mugs" and even when cover is near by they simply "loose their heads",but once winter is truely here and those hares have seen the odd dog etc then they are a different animal. I am not suggesting for one moment that a january hare is "fitter" than an october hare, just that , perhaps,they have a bit more savvy and their maturity helps them keep a cool head even when in between the front feet of a snapping lurcher...... My own dogs have been humiliated by hares up and down the country on all terrains...., small fields and fens alike... good hunting....JD I agree. J Darcy writes a good post highlighting the fact that hares find escape routes in drains pipes foxholes,and hedges.allof which is true.,a couple of pages ago you wrote."WHERE FIELDS ARE BIG ,LIKE ON THE FENS ,WITH NOWHERE FOR THE HARES TO ESCAPE",SO BY AGREEING WITH DARCYS POST ,WHICH IS ACCURATE,YOU CONTRADICT YOURSELF.DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHERE THE FENS ARE?iF YOU HAD ANY CREDIBILITY BEFORE ,YOU HAVENT ANY NOW! i have ran meny a hare pre ban and the only hares i have had eny experiance of that has went down eny kind of hole is the( blue hare ) i have seen brown hares jump a fence , i have seen them jump into ponds and swim over to the other side and escape , i have seen them run through my legs , i have seen them do all sorts of things but i have never seen them go down a hole ! but i do believe that depending the enviroment these cunning beastys will know every newk and cranie within 3 miles and i am sure they will use it to there best ! fen hares i cant coment on realy i havent raced them so it wouldnt be fare to coment on them but i have run fen dogs , i found them a good hare dog but they was never the type of dog that i could go to the boys with and race against them , i found these type of dogs needed more open land so they can find a pace and settle into the race , the ground that i run my dogs on just isnt open enough to let these kind of dogs open up and settle into the hare , but if i lived near the fenns this would be the breed of dog that i would use ! in this thred there is a lot of sarcasim about the fenn hares ! more or less folk saying that they are a breed of there own , well imo it is the fenn dogs that are a breed of there own ! bred for the fenn hares , horses for courses . Link to post
Blaze 49 Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 The Brwon Hare definatly go to ground when under pressure....iv witnesed it several times in different locations! Link to post
Guest joe ox Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 (edited) inan are you a idiot, what I agreed with in JD's post is highlighted in red you stupid old fool! Edited October 30, 2007 by joe ox Link to post
J Darcy 5,871 Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 Come on chaps...lets not let this thread degenerate into a slagging match.... Link to post
Guest mush Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 inan are you a idiot, what I agreed with in JD's post is highlighted in red you stupid old fool! how is anyone meant to no that, if you want to reply to a part of a post edit the rest now what was it you said you stupid old fool! Link to post
Guest mush Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 (edited) Before the ban I ran all over the country and the best and smartest I've ran were on Salisbury Plains, second the fens, on downs if you gave them to much start your dog would get straight lined. IMO on small fields the hares aren't as fast or as smart as on big land, its just the dog haven't got much time to catch never mind work the hare before it hits a hedge, most kills are made before the hare gets going unlike on big land where you will see how good you dog really is and how hard a hare can be to catch when it gets going. why any of the doubled up lampers are even on this thread i don't know, i mean they cant catch a long eared at night with one dog never mind on the fens in the day, Edited October 30, 2007 by mush Link to post
Guest SJM Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 Ive seen brown hares go to ground numerous times in drainage pipes up here in Scotland, if they have used something like that before, for shelter or whatever, and they know its there, they will use it when a dog is chasing them Link to post
inan 841 Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 What some do not understand is that although the fens may look featureless they rarely are. I have permission over a huge swathe of fenland and at first glance looks like the proverbial "wheat desert". But there are drains, dykes, fox holes and the odd hedge scattered across the land, not to mention game cover crops that remain in situ all season. Hares can, and do,use all these to their advantage throughout the course. I have a huge respect for all hares as the ultimate athelete. Those that talk disparagingly about hares i find have not run enough daytimes ones.... Early season hares can often be "mugs" and even when cover is near by they simply "loose their heads",but once winter is truely here and those hares have seen the odd dog etc then they are a different animal. I am not suggesting for one moment that a january hare is "fitter" than an october hare, just that , perhaps,they have a bit more savvy and their maturity helps them keep a cool head even when in between the front feet of a snapping lurcher...... My own dogs have been humiliated by hares up and down the country on all terrains...., small fields and fens alike... good hunting....JD I agree. J Darcy writes a good post highlighting the fact that hares find escape routes in drains pipes foxholes,and hedges.allof which is true.,a couple of pages ago you wrote."WHERE FIELDS ARE BIG ,LIKE ON THE FENS ,WITH NOWHERE FOR THE HARES TO ESCAPE",SO BY AGREEING WITH DARCYS POST ,WHICH IS ACCURATE,YOU CONTRADICT YOURSELF.DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHERE THE FENS ARE?iF YOU HAD ANY CREDIBILITY BEFORE ,YOU HAVENT ANY NOW! i have ran meny a hare pre ban and the only hares i have had eny experiance of that has went down eny kind of hole is the( blue hare ) i have seen brown hares jump a fence , i have seen them jump into ponds and swim over to the other side and escape , i have seen them run through my legs , i have seen them do all sorts of things but i have never seen them go down a hole ! but i do believe that depending the enviroment these cunning beastys will know every newk and cranie within 3 miles and i am sure they will use it to there best ! fen hares i cant coment on realy i havent raced them so it wouldnt be fare to coment on them but i have run fen dogs , i found them a good hare dog but they was never the type of dog that i could go to the boys with and race against them , i found these type of dogs needed more open land so they can find a pace and settle into the race , the ground that i run my dogs on just isnt open enough to let these kind of dogs open up and settle into the hare , but if i lived near the fenns this would be the breed of dog that i would use ! in this thred there is a lot of sarcasim about the fenn hares ! more or less folk saying that they are a breed of there own , well imo it is the fenn dogs that are a breed of there own ! bred for the fenn hares , horses for courses . Ive seen many hares go to ground when under pressure,they will use foxholes ,drains etc,Ive footage of this on a few dvds and videos,Inan Link to post
inan 841 Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 inan are you a idiot, what I agreed with in JD's post is highlighted in red you stupid old fool! The problem with you Dumb Ox is you got involved ,jumping on the band wagon of a subject ,which you know JACK SHIT ABOUT,namely THE FENS,FEN HARES,AND HOW THEY RUN,when I called you on it you didnt have the balls to admit you were ignorant on the subject,you not only dug your own hole ,you filled yourself in as well,numpty Link to post
inan 841 Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 Before the ban I ran all over the country and the best and smartest I've ran were on Salisbury Plains, second the fens, on downs if you gave them to much start your dog would get straight lined. IMO on small fields the hares aren't as fast or as smart as on big land, its just the dog haven't got much time to catch never mind work the hare before it hits a hedge, most kills are made before the hare gets going unlike on big land where you will see how good you dog really is and how hard a hare can be to catch when it gets going. why any of the doubled up lampers are even on this thread i don't know, i mean they cant catch a long eared at night with one dog never mind on the fens in the day, Mush ,your mention of Salisbury plains takes me back a few years .I used to run there in the long ago ,your,e right about the hares being good,very good in fact,Ive seen dogs straightlined on the plain,I liked your bit about the lampers,its a great sport ,but it aint coursing,why some people jump in on subjects they have no experince of beats me,must be attention seekers.Inan. Link to post
Guest mush Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 don't think hunter cammosaying is saying it don't happen, just he's never seen it. Link to post
Guest mush Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 Mush ,your mention of Salisbury plains takes me back a few years .I used to run there in the long ago ,your,e right about the hares being good,very good in fact,Ive seen dogs straightlined on the plain,I liked your bit about the lampers,its a great sport ,but it aint coursing,why some people jump in on subjects they have no experince of beats me,must be attention seekers.Inan.and boy is it hot on there,To hot these days. the first time we walked on there LOL we only got away with it because every one was chasing some lads in some subarus. Link to post
inan 841 Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 don't think hunter cammosaying is saying it don't happen, just he's never seen it. I wasnt referring to him ,I hope he understands that. Link to post
Guest joe ox Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 mush he is supposed to know that because its highlighted in red! inan I would not comment on a subject if I was ignorant of it, lets hope we can continue this discussion face to face sometime I will be sure to remember what you look like Link to post
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