fen hares

[juckler123 707]

There was hare coursing and hare hunting: 2 totally different things IMO.

Spot on Skycat

[Guest SJM]

Old enough to know bullshit when I hear it

[Guest nitedog]

if fen hares are so easy, why is no one down there killing double figure with there superior dogs? its easy enogh to hit the double figure mark on the lamp, but no one is doing it during the day , if certain breeds are killing heaps on the lamp , why arnt they doing in in daylight, even if they did half there average night-time tally they would be putting a saluki x to shame,

where in england on flat fields have the most hares been took with one dog.and where did anybody say saluki xs were not the best on a day time hare???? and what saluki x would you say is the best x saluki lurcher????

[Guest nitedog]

6 hares not very sporting running milky does in stubble ...........

How can you get milky does in stubble stubble is from August onwards and does are milky aip/may.

 

 

Where have you been for the last 10 - 20 years? There are leverets around even now: its called global warming. I reckon the only time you are unlikely to find milky does now is from late Novemeber to late January: that's been my experience anyway these last 10 years or so.

so you run y dogs two month a year part timer

I dont know you Nite dog ,but I do know Skycat ,and that is one person who has a wealth of experience of coursing hares pre-ban,and Im talking about coursing with proper law given to the quarry , to a 100 yds,running very ,very good dogs ,in coursing competitions against equally very good dogs,there are many people who would like to have had the success ,[and the trophies]Sky cat has won coursing over the years.Skycat is as near to a fulltime hunter as you will find.I said I dont know you Nite dog ,but I know this,you come across as a gobby know-all,who is blowing their own trumpet.Maybe Ive got you wrong,I hope so ,but Im not holding my breath waiting to find out. Inan.

is it not right what im saying s c says he dosent run milky does so he runs from end ov nov to end ov jan hes into hare law so he will not go lamping so what does he hunt full time??????

 

anything that ran (pre ban of course). I wouldn't call myself a 'full time' hunter as that is someone who does asbolutely nothing else at all! I shall say that my dogs are out every day, and every suitable night catching something as I'm lucky to have plenty of land and stuff on it. Nowadays its mostly pest control for farmers and shoots.

As far as hares went, before the ban, of course, you can't tell when the hare jumps if its a milky doe or not: I was just commenting on the times of year you are unlikely to find a milky doe nowadays. The same as a three quarter grown leveret: they often looked a lot bigger when they jumped than once the dog had caught them!

I think that Inan was referring to fair law during competitions: hunting for the pot is a different matter, or if the farmer had asked you to thin them out. There was hare coursing and hare hunting: 2 totally different things IMO.

what im saying is iv seen hares put up at 20 yards and the dog miss them but the same day the dog kill a hare off a 100+yard slip a hare only starts running full sprint with a dog up its arse so whats diffrence??? HH HC they still run the same

[Guest joe ox]

inan, I was not having a dig, If I was it would be direct and anything I say on here I would say face to face. Simply having to give a hare 100 yards head start on the fens speaks for it self, they need it!

Tongue in cheek? Surely Joe

 

Yes miles

 

inan are are you having a pop at me?

[inan 841]

inan, I was not having a dig, If I was it would be direct and anything I say on here I would say face to face. Simply having to give a hare 100 yards head start on the fens speaks for it self, they need it!

Tongue in cheek? Surely Joe

 

Yes miles

 

inan are are you having a pop at me?

Having a pop at you? Youve got it arse about face havent you?

You were the one asking if my nose was brown weren,t you?

I just responded to your snipe. I see nowhere on this thread any confirmationby Nitedog that his remarks to Skycat were tongue in cheek ,so my remarks to him stand.Since you chose to offer up your bit I replied,and when you impplied that fen hares needed 100 yds law ,I asked you how much experience you have of fen coursing? In fact I asked you 3 times,no reply so far.Im not having a pop at anyone ,but rest assured if I was they would know immediately.Just save your brown nose remarks for those that might appreciate them.I defended agood friend who I know from first hand is a very experienced hunter and someone who works their dogs to their fullest capacity.

[Guest joe ox]

inan, You say a dog should only be slipped after the hare has a hundred yards "fair law" and is well into its stride. What you mean to say is let the hare get a hundred yards away till it thinks it is not being pursued then slip the dog which jogs up to the hare getting 10 to 20 yards away sometimes closer the hare then realizes it is being pursued leading to the course starting from there but now like the hare the dog is in its stride and is in a better position to start the course! its a tactic which people like you use but call it sportsmanship or fair law! Its ideal for laid back dogs and a tactic which can only be used where the fields are big like on the fens with no where for the hare to escape! useless where there are hedges, woods or any sort of cover the hare can use to escape.

 

Just so you know inan this is a pop your a brown noser and I think skycat is quite capable of sticking up for herself!

[Giro 2,648]

Sky cats a man joe lol..

[Guest joe ox]

Sky cats a man joe lol..

 

No a women.

Edited October 29, 2007 by joe ox

[Ray Mears 272]

another post down the pan

[snoopdog 1,256]

Sky cats a man joe lol..

skycat is female giro

[Guest SJM]

Now this topic is actually starting to get interesting Up until now its been a joke, but I have to say I agree with Joe in some aspects of what hes saying Up here it is a completely different kettle of fish to the fens. Where we run, or should I say ran hares, the fields are small, and surrounded by hedges and woods, if you allowed the hare 100 yds law it would be out of the park in seconds and through a hedge into another park, or into a wood. I have noticed that when you put hares up out of their beds, they explode out at top speed and if the dog is not slipped they will make off down the field and then when they get out a fair distance they start to bounce down into a leisurely gear and sometimes even stop and look back to see whats going on. On a few occaisions I have seen them come to a halt and then after they have watched for a bit they will squat down again and start feeding. Hares will only run full pelt if the dog is on them pressurising them to do so, the fastest moving and most nimble hares I have seen have been ones with a good fast, desperate dog with a bit of stay at their rear. Im not saying you shouldnt give hares a bit of a start, indeed its great seeing a dog shut the gap and its fantastic when the dog gets on the hare as thats when the chase really begins but I was always under the impression one of the other reasons apart from the sporting thing, why the hare was given such a strong law in coursing competitions was so that the slipper could assess the hare as it ran and if deemed not to be a good enough specimin, the dogs wouldnt be unleased? Am I wrong in this assumption?

[Giro 2,648]

Erm i thought sky cat was a man.. whoops sorry

[inan 841]

inan, You say a dog should only be slipped after the hare has a hundred yards "fair law" and is well into its stride. What you mean to say is let the hare get a hundred yards away till it thinks it is not being pursued then slip the dog which jogs up to the hare getting 10 to 20 yards away sometimes closer the hare then realizes it is being pursued leading to the course starting from there but now like the hare the dog is in its stride and is in a better position to start the course! its a tactic which people like you use but call it sportsmanship or fair law! Its ideal for laid back dogs and a tactic which can only be used where the fields are big like on the fens with no where for the hare to escape! useless where there are hedges, woods or any sort of cover the hare can use to escape.

 

Just so you know inan this is a pop your a brown noser and I think skycat is quite capable of sticking up for herself!

Are you talking about coursing or not,your description of a run makes me wonder,you dont know me or anything about me yet you make assumptions as to how I ran my dogs on hares .Fair law was given to hares in clubs I was a member of which ran in Suffolk ,Cambridge,Norfolk and Lincs. You made a statement that"where the fields are big like on the fens with nowhere for the hares to escape",that tells me all I need to know about your experience on the fens,Ive asked you 3 times how much youve don e on the fens? Illask you once more ,HOW MUCH COURSING HAVE YOU DONE ON THE FENS?

[Guest Bunny Basher]

Old enough to know bullshit when I hear it

 

 

:laugh: Well youve been practising it all your life :laugh: