Hancock Lurchers

[Dewclaw69 484]

i've considered a hancock dog a lot over the years. mainly as you know exactly what you are getting. i may have got one earlier this year had this fella not popped up locally. 3/4 grey collie. sire 1/2 bred and dam ex track grey. if i ever need another collie grey i'd definitely have a hancock dog

[Ronisillah 26]

He's a cracker rob

[shaaark 10,704]

 

 

worker to worker. That cannot happen at the Hancock kennel. It used to be a chicken farm until Edwina Curry shut it down so farmer Hancock turned to farming dogs..Its that simple.

Worker to worker means feck all, apart from the fact that both parents were worked. It doesn't follow that all the pups will, or even be suitable for work. Plenty of working/coursing/racing champions etc in both dogs and horses, bred from parents which have never worked, coursed or raced prove it

 

If you just want a few rabbits and you just buy in all your dogs thats fine,but if you want the line to go on then you need to get the best rootstock from the beginning,not a quick fix from the lurcher supermarket (hancocks) Theres a dog on here owned by BIRD I think. Thats a proper collie/greyhound bred by a proper breeder who I think might be COLLIE JOHN but not sure. If I was looking for a Collie cross again,thats the type i would be after..

 

A few rabbits have never interested me, still don't. You've just said it, good rootstock, doesn't mean the parents need to be working, but yeah, go back far enough and all the rootstock would've been worked

Edited October 21, 2014 by shaaark

[northern lad 2,292]

i've considered a hancock dog a lot over the years. mainly as you know exactly what you are getting. i may have got one earlier this year had this fella not popped up locally. 3/4 grey collie. sire 1/2 bred and dam ex track grey. if i ever need another collie grey i'd definitely have a hancock dog

Very nice Rob what is he TTS?

[Dewclaw69 484]

 

i've considered a hancock dog a lot over the years. mainly as you know exactly what you are getting. i may have got one earlier this year had this fella not popped up locally. 3/4 grey collie. sire 1/2 bred and dam ex track grey. if i ever need another collie grey i'd definitely have a hancock dog

Very nice Rob what is he TTS?

 

26 tts . making a handy pot filler. smart as you like and plenty of drive

[jeemes 4,453]

So you wouldn`t buy a Hancock, but you`d quite happily big up another dog you know nothing about, whether It`s any good at working or who bred it,..??

Ive seen plenty of hancocks in action to know what there about,and it hasnt amounted to much. the older ones were better but a couple of years ago i seen one run around plough and then open up on a fox ha ha That was one of these beardie/border types..the nearest the farm has come to line breeding i believe..

[fluff 409]

better with good qaulity line bred or just good to good works out alot better if you know what your doing ,saw several first crosses some were poor specimans as an allround lurcher ,and then you got some that through right and they were decent ,i would keep away from commercail breeders and meet genuine working dogs bred from generaitions to work , course hunt .only way forward

[wirral countryman 2,110]

Ronisallah and Shaaark,, buying off tested dogs will always produce better quality genetics, dogs who have tendons, joints, muscles, etc pushed to the limit that have lived to 5+yrs without major injury will always produce a physically healthier offspring, I have owned every ratio of collie cross since the 70's many produced by hancock dogs that were bred from in the 80's, I have never bought one direct from him though, just from some of the better well worked ones, you may get away with the odd generation of non-worked breeders but not for 30 odd years, some of the greyhounds used are thin, small and old, my son bought a pup off the first litter woody sired over a very old second rate bitch a few years back, her first illness killed her, he has since bought another sired by del boy over a young 26" strong greyhound bitch, this new pup is a lot healthier all round and whether she will be any good is yet to be established, you will ask why did he buy another ?? as I did, but there are simply not many others being bred if that's what you want, there are some health problems with "Hancock" lurchers that have not been mentioned so far also, I have seen a few die from brain tumors, simple knocks that may cause a limp or tear in a muscle in other dogs have resulted in breaks in his lurchers, this is where the theory of breeding off unworked dogs fall down, his pups lack socialising and have a poor diet up till they leave, the dog food is bought in bulk and very poor % wise, we all have choice and nobody makes us buy them but whilst there is demand he will breed them, these are the hard facts and in spite of poor breeding some still make good dogs, given the choice its worker/ worker still for me, WM

[Ronisillah 26]

Some S.A that mate am not even willing to type back be there all week ha

[Ronisillah 26]

But a do see what and were yer coming from

[Tiercel 6,986]

Out of curiosity, I like a half cross, how do you get one out of working parents? The collie may work sheep or cattle, the dam may be an ex track dog that does some coursing. Neither would be at the top of the tree hunting wise, yet they still produce some viable offspring.

 

TC

[Chid 6,493]

Out of curiosity, I like a half cross, how do you get one out of working parents? The collie may work sheep or cattle, the dam may be an ex track dog that does some coursing. Neither would be at the top of the tree hunting wise, yet they still produce some viable offspring.

 

TC

half cross x half cross = half cross does it not ? and both parents could be hunting dogs..

[Tiercel 6,986]

 

Out of curiosity, I like a half cross, how do you get one out of working parents? The collie may work sheep or cattle, the dam may be an ex track dog that does some coursing. Neither would be at the top of the tree hunting wise, yet they still produce some viable offspring.

 

TC

half cross x half cross = half cross does it not ? and both parents could be hunting dogs..

 

In theory yes, in practice I would say no, as to my mind a half cross is a first generation cross. HC X HC is a second generation lurcher so to my way of thinking it would not be a true half cross. I may well be wrong, but that is how I see it.

 

TC

[Chid 6,493]

 

 

Out of curiosity, I like a half cross, how do you get one out of working parents? The collie may work sheep or cattle, the dam may be an ex track dog that does some coursing. Neither would be at the top of the tree hunting wise, yet they still produce some viable offspring.

 

TC

 

half cross x half cross = half cross does it not ? and both parents could be hunting dogs..

In theory yes, in practice I would say no, as to my mind a half cross is a first generation cross. HC X HC is a second generation lurcher so to my way of thinking it would not be a true half cross. I may well be wrong, but that is how I see it.

 

TC

a hc x hc will still be a hc .... it just wont be a first cross

[Tiercel 6,986]

 

 

 

Out of curiosity, I like a half cross, how do you get one out of working parents? The collie may work sheep or cattle, the dam may be an ex track dog that does some coursing. Neither would be at the top of the tree hunting wise, yet they still produce some viable offspring.

 

TC

half cross x half cross = half cross does it not ? and both parents could be hunting dogs..

In theory yes, in practice I would say no, as to my mind a half cross is a first generation cross. HC X HC is a second generation lurcher so to my way of thinking it would not be a true half cross. I may well be wrong, but that is how I see it.

 

TC

a hc x hc will still be a hc .... it just wont be a first cross

 

I agree with you 100%, but, there is always a but, it would be a result of a lurcher to lurcher mating, not a two different breed mating.

 

A simplistic explanation of the way I see it is the collie brings the brains and the greyhound the speed. What proportion of each trait a dog inherits is in the lap of the gods, as with most matings. I feel you have a better chance of getting a true HC of the type you require by a first generation mating. Even on the first generation mating you will get some in a litter that will throw more to one parent than the other

 

There are so many variations that can happen with each generation, it does make me wonder if you would actually get a true half cross with a HC second generation mating?

 

TC

Edited October 21, 2014 by tiercel