Thats Me Done!!

[the big chief 3,099]

owning a dog like that and being reckless with it sory but you only have ya self to blame should have kept it on a lead and with a muzzle on

[CraignTod 278]

This is an internet forum where people try to help via opinions through experience.. sorry for my inexperienced input. :-( lol.

[jambay5 191]

Yeah was really reckless not knowing I had a time bomb on my hands! Only found out the history after it was 2 late!!

[sailor30 658]

Never buy in other people s rubbish breed ya own or find pup from good stuff and bring it on correctly. ..and you should be fine.

[matt1979 766]

Craig if that's your experience then that's far enough and as you say your entitled to express it, I think the point I was trying to make along with others was dogs can differentiate between a fox and another dog probs. if you have had experience of dogs turning on other dogs then perhaps it had nothing to do with the dog having caught game, maybe another underlying issue, as the vast majority of lurcher owners don't have problems with dog on dog aggression unless Iam way off the mark atb.

[Truther 1,579]

Some f***ing gems on this one

[lurcher666phil 43]

b******s its lack of socialising wich causes a lot of the problems

[skycat 6,173]

Skycat genuine question would a dog in defence mode not generally jack so to speak on a fox at which point the fox usually goes for self preservation and is on his bike. Most creatures surely understand the basic principle of self preservation when it comes to confrontation. It can be different obviously if the dogs movement and thus decision making is ltd ie it can't run away. Not saying this is correct just a thought atb

 

Matt: I won't claim to be an expert on all the various drives that the 'attack' dog trainers talk about, but I have noticed through the lurchers in my life that most of the best fox dogs, the ones that developed a real hatred of foxes, and which would stop at nothing to get to them, were all very short fuse, edgy dogs who were bitten before they retaliated. they never went looking for trouble if there were other dogs around, but they were the first to retaliate if another dog went for them. All my lurchers were introduced to fox in the presence of another experienced lurcher, and usually at the end of a dig, where the young lurcher was allowed to watch what was going on, but not allowed to take part until it had seen a number of foxes.

 

I had one bitch who wasn't like this at all, but she wasn't the best dog on top, though she'd go to ground and draw a fox no problem, taking a lot of punishment in the process. She wouldn't tackle a fox on top without help. Her daughter, the one that was dodgy around other dogs, had temperament issues. She was the sort of loner who never played or mixed with other dogs, but she was a killer out and out, very highly strung and though she didn't show it, nervous in many ways.

 

To me, those psychopathic tendencies were exacerbated by the fact that the bitch knew how to kill, and seemed to enjoy it far more than the more business like approach I've seen in my other fox dogs, who were just doing a job, without losing the plot, so to speak. Nervous doesn't necessarily mean 'running away' scared of something, so it is the defensive attitude that rules such a dog's state of mind when it is taking fox. This bitch's nerves were on a knife edge when she was up against fox, so the release and satisfaction she felt when killing a fox was all the more grounding for her as a result: big risk equalled big reward when she killed. She retrieved rabbits so gently it was crazy, and she was super protective about her own cat at home, to the extent that she would never even kill ferals, even if the terriers found one and killed it.

 

We've all read the term 'nervous aggression' when talking about dogs. Just because a dog has the physical ability to run away from danger, a perceived threat, doesn't mean that it can do so mentally. In fact, turning tail and running might, in the dog's head, put it in more danger as it could then be attacked from behind. Better to stay facing the enemy and fight. It's also the reason why dogs are often much more aggressive when on a lead, as they physically can't run away, even if they wanted to.

 

Now, I've never had anything with Bull blood in it, but I've seen a few at work, and I doubt very much if a Bully lurcher would be feeling anything but sheer pleasure to feel its jaws locked on to a fox: no nervous state there, but of course they were originally bred to lock on to things and not let go no matter what, so the whole attitude is different to a dog say, with Collie or less 'lock down' breeding has in it. That said, there's wrong and correct in every type of dog breed: so each time someone breeds dogs for a purpose, from parents that are doing whatever job the owner wants, they are 'fixing' those traits and temperament that they want for perpetuity, for good or bad. Increase the tendency to kill anything, no matter what, and you could end up with truly psychopathic animals that shouldn't really be alive and who descend into the red mist zone at the drop of a hat

[CraignTod 278]

Good read skycat ^^

[South hams hunter 8,921]

Think all you lads who have bull x's that have dog friendly.dogs need to be asking questions about the bull dog that was used

not at all, my father ran 3 dogs out of ch general in the early 80s. All we're fine with dogs , th dog aggression Is turnt into prey drive an gameness into tenacity.

[gamerooster 1,179]

 

Think all you lads who have bull x's that have dog friendly.dogs need to be asking questions about the bull dog that was used

not at all, my father ran 3 dogs out of ch general in the early 80s. All we're fine with dogs , th dog aggression Is turnt into prey drive an gameness into tenacity.

Every single bull x my old man bred, had to be kenneled seperately, work single handed, and they where out of a 1x and 2x winner...... its the same with everything..... and your saying the bull brings the prey drive? Dont think so, greyhounds prey drive is crazy

[boyo 1,398]

Dog killer.. its hard for the dog to differentiate when its bred to kill, these fox killers ect are best not to socialise to much. My opinion

never heard such rubbish in all my born days .the best fox dog ive ever owned was timid beyond reason around other dogs and people

[matt1979 766]

Fair reply sky cat and good to here from your experiences. All I base my thoughts on we're my and my families dogs and none have ever been aggressive in anyway to other dogs yet have taken all game over the years. I would still have thought a nervous dog would take easier options than fight in most instances certainly when the stakes are high, but I can see the point about attack as a line of defence. But don't accept Craig's point about dogs that kill game not knowing the difference between game and other dogs. My experience is most dogs have an inbuilt dislike for foxes irrelevant of the personality, I would guess from there wolf ancestry and competition for food etc I don't know. Atb matt

[treankare666 10]

its an accident. happends time from time when you have dogs. Get the tools and it can be sorted at home, shaver, cleaning stuff, some needles or staple guns etc. Some penicillin. Rest. Then make sure that next time tendencies are being showed, just slap with leash over the nose or make sure they know you are the one calling the shots. it completely idiotic and has nothing to do wit hhunting and aggressivness with other dogs. they work toghether, yes, it can be some dogs that guard whats been shot or done for them for other dogs but not in a big sense. if you have a dog for 12 months nothing should come as a surprise, then you cannot read dogs language. ive had dogs that i only had 1-2 weeks and stuff come as surprise, but thats nothing i knew of before.

 

Also ive had the experience that the fighters are worse hunters. their mind aint focused.

[keepitcovert 842]

 

Dog killer.. its hard for the dog to differentiate when its bred to kill, these fox killers ect are best not to socialise to much. My opinion

 

That concept is total illogical....

Certainly is Mr Spock.