For Truther Ttip Nigel Farage

[Truther 1,579]

Quality answer that BH, but how many people would know much about Benobo's? Chimps we all know about, but not Benobo's, there is a point to this mate trust me lol.

 

If we didn't have structure, religion, rules, we would act like Chimps? You could just as easily say we would act like Benobo's, were just as related to them as Chimps, maybe even more so, but that wouldn't fit the bill at all eh mate?

 

The dog eat dog mentality is pushed and pushed, it starts at an early age, infant school sports day probably, then things move on from there, on to bigger and better things, forget all the love thy neighbour stuff, that's just to make it look good, nobody, or hardly anybody follows that in reality, even old Nige tried to hide his money offshore so he didn't have to pay his whack into society, greed mate, greed and envy drives humans, the mentality helped along by politicians on behalf of the "top dogs" if you go against this and people actually start listening to you its usually not long before you get killed, Ghandi, MLK, Lennon, Marley. You might think im rambling, i think you're thinking small, and totally brainwashed if you think any existing political party is going to make a real difference, and history, thousands of years of history backs that statement 100%

[Born Hunter 17,837]

I'm still not clear what you're saying... you say politics is in our makup/society/nature, which I agree, simply it's social discussion for the survival of a group. Yet you say it's useless?

 

It sounds like you hate capitalism and want some socialist utopia. Personally I'm quite happy being a brainwashed capitalist.

 

And I'm still standing by what I said about ukip being different to what we have seen in British politics for quite a while now. I've given you examples of why I see ukip as different, try actually attacking those.

[Tiercel 6,986]

BH there is no such thing as socialism, it cannot exist other than as an ideal, because of man. Even nature leads the way every type of animal in the world has a social structure with a hierarchy. Why should man be any different. It is a necessity to any society, without it we would just have a free for all.

 

Politics encapsulates many meanings, essentially I think what he is saying is, they are just fighting between themselves to see who gets the next go at the honey pot. They can call their party what they like, make promises they know they cannot keep and as long as people keep voting, they the 'elite' will always win.

 

There is no other alternative and has not been since man formed into groups.

 

TC

[Truther 1,579]

No you've miss read it, im saying the motivation behind the politics is flawed, some politics makes things better some times, like Wilson redressing the balance of wealth more evenly, they planned to kill him for that FACT, which should tell you something?

 

Wtf do you hope will happen going down the same old route? History is well on my side here BH, keep going down the greed dog eat dog route and were f****d, 100% guaranteed, i know im probably sounding all Karl Marx, but communism don't work for the same reasons capitalism don't work, we've had the model and seen it fail miserably, but believe it or not the same people ran that largely, notice anything about the ringleaders names?

 

Following your thinking a few things will happen, loss of all natural resources, overpopulation will lead to food shortage, and speed up pollution, disease, over use of resources, the answer in simple terms is depopulation, cooperation, any country/race/religion that won't conform should be culled for the greater good, not that i think were worthy of saving really, you probably don't have much to lose atm, kids/grandkids might change your mind a bit eventually?

[Born Hunter 17,837]

BH there is no such thing as socialism, it cannot exist other than as an ideal, because of man. Even nature leads the way every type of animal in the world has a social structure with a hierarchy. Why should man be any different. It is a necessity to any society, without it we would just have a free for all.

 

Politics encapsulates many meanings, essentially I think what he is saying is, they are just fighting between themselves to see who gets the next go at the honey pot. They can call their party what they like, make promises they know they cannot keep and as long as people keep voting, they the 'elite' will always win.

 

There is no other alternative and has not been since man formed into groups.

 

TC

I'm fairly aware that socialism is a load of site mate. But the alternative to my mind is capitalism which also to my mind is the most natural for of society.

 

And based on that philosophy, what ukip seem to represent I can relate to.

[Born Hunter 17,837]

Truther I see where you're coming from but I don't at all agree with your conclusions. It's a fact populations stabilise in 1st world countries and it's a fact that with education and long term foresight we can address all issues of sustainability. There's no doubt corruption is present, but it always will be no matter the system.

 

I seem to have a bit more faith in the human race than you.

[Born Hunter 17,837]

To my mind the problem is with democracy not capitalism. The desire to be the best we can is what made us the strongest in nature and is what will ensure our survival. But democracy is dominated by short term greed and the electorate are as much to blame as the elected.

 

Believe me I want to see a sustainable future. I want to leave behind fossil fuels etc. I really think we should be passing money into fusion tech and fuel cell tech and some capitalists are! Capitalism can be our greatest weakness and our greatest strength.

[Tiercel 6,986]

How can you have democracy in a capitalistic country? It's impossible.

 

TC

[Truther 1,579]

Watch this BH,

 

 

http://youtu.be/TrqxAHIHXuU

 

Capitalism taken to the extreme, but you're right its our own fault for doing f**k all about it.

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[Born Hunter 17,837]

Truther, I'll have to finish watching it later. But if there was any significant truth to these cancer cure conspiracies, and I've heard plenty, then the great scientist would just have to go to a sympathetic country and as a consequence develop one of the most profitable businesses in the medical world. They're all bullshit when you dig deep enough.

[gnasher16 30,592]

 

So who do you support now then Gnash? and who did you vote for in the last election?

 

It doesnt matter who i vote for the topics not about me its about Farrage/Ukip.....i was brought up to believe theres some things you just dont ask people

 

After all said and done most of us if we,re honest dont understand the first thing about politics we all make judgement of parties based on our own lives and our own priorities yet the overwhelming subject most people are drawn to Ukip for is immigration like they are the saviour of our nation....people get all patriotic and nationalistic when it comes to shirt and tie Ukip yet ran in the opposite direction when it was jeans and t shirt nf or bnp......why has patriotism suddenly become an important thing in peoples lives today when it wasnt yesterday ?........its either because folk are more desperate than ever and the timing is right for the void Ukip have filled......or Ukip are saying things regards immigration that are different to what anyone else has said......either way folk get all protective of their leaders honesty and the way he doesnt about turn yet this is a party whos biggest independant donor is an ex tory who bankrolled posters and leaflets for a party to pay east europeans to deliver them because they would do it cheaper

 

Dont get me wrong i understand the desire to desperately latch onto something but to think " everything will be alright " and " Nige is our last hope "......to me is naive and gullible bordering on cult like infatuation.

[Truther 1,579]

I agree with some of what you're saying there, plenty of nut jobs on the net, but later on in this vid the first trial judge (retired) backs the geezer up, they went on to try and impeach him 6 times, and kids he treated are now adults with their own kids, its hard to watch at times. The head of the FDA (at the time) is on record saying "i would never grant a licence to an individual, only a corporation" so even if an individual did come up with a cure we wouldn't get it, put simply there's a multi billion dollar industry built around cancer and the useless cures sold by big drug companies, if we cured it the financial void would be huge, so we have to die. Wonder if the people behind this get the real cures or not?

[Tiercel 6,986]

I agree with some of what you're saying there, plenty of nut jobs on the net, but later on in this vid the first trial judge (retired) backs the geezer up, they went on to try and impeach him 6 times, and kids he treated are now adults with their own kids, its hard to watch at times. The head of the FDA (at the time) is on record saying "i would never grant a licence to an individual, only a corporation" so even if an individual did come up with a cure we wouldn't get it, put simply there's a multi billion dollar industry built around cancer and the useless cures sold by big drug companies, if we cured it the financial void would be huge, so we have to die. Wonder if the people behind this get the real cures or not?

In one way you are right Truther, but the problem with the world today is that no one is allowed to die. People are living longer and the birth rate is not reflecting that. The drug corporations are on to a good thing. The longer people live, the longer they are dependant on the drugs they supply, and in the mean time infant mortality is dropping so there are their future customers.

 

We are just cannon fodder there to provide for the elite few. Always have been, always will be. There is sweet fanny adams we can do about it.

 

TC

[Truther 1,579]

Agreed TC, and i know only mother nature can change it mate, shame like, i would love to see them get their just deserves, i can dream lol.