For Truther Ttip Nigel Farage

[jessdale 416]

 

Gnasher Its a good question, I can't quite put my finger on it .....I suppose because I know myself and everything he say's hits the mark, Its more than just a gut feeling .... I see him as regard's a leader ..."Thatcher in a tie"

 

I just dont hear much from him we havent heard before from others.....so it would just have to come down to personality as to why i would believe him over anyone else and hard as it is to judge without looking in a mans eye he doesnt strike me as a personality that comes across any more sincere or believable than the next man......hence i dont understand where that total confidence in his word comes from.

 

But what you say is fair enough and logical....when you dont have reason stick with instinct

Exactly. Guys will call all politicians liars, yet hinge on his every word?. I don't get it. The man has done nothing whatsoever yet he is the man to rescue the UK?. I think of him like this, would I like my daughter walking down our path with a young Nigel, hand in hand, and her saying " dad, this is my boyfriend Nigel". To be met with that grinning slimy snake charming barsteward would make my teeth itch.

[Buttons 140]

I've not voted since I was 18 and my dad took me and told me to vote conservative.

But iam voting next yr as is my wife and daughters and it's all UKIP

[J Darcy 5,871]

 

Darcy I believe him too, I really do.....

 

Not to be rude....but im just curious as to why you believe him ?.....do you think you are a better judge of character than people who dont believe him ? after all said and done most of us want pretty much the same thing so to put every bit of faith in this man as you clearly do what is it about him as a human being that gives you such confidence in his words ?

 

No i don't think I'm better than anyone at anything. But he comes across totally different than all the others. You know where you stand with him, he doesn't waltz around in the grey areas desperate not to upset anyone. He is black and white, you're either going to love him or hate him. No one can accuse Farage of being a fence sitter, no one. I like a politician that speaks his mind. IMO he is the most straight talking leader of any party since maggie. But thats JMHO Gnasher.

[Waz 4,274]

 

Gnasher Its a good question, I can't quite put my finger on it .....I suppose because I know myself and everything he say's hits the mark, Its more than just a gut feeling .... I see him as regard's a leader ..."Thatcher in a tie"

 

I just dont hear much from him we havent heard before from others.....so it would just have to come down to personality as to why i would believe him over anyone else and hard as it is to judge without looking in a mans eye he doesnt strike me as a personality that comes across any more sincere or believable than the next man......hence i dont understand where that total confidence in his word comes from.

 

But what you say is fair enough and logical....when you dont have reason stick with instinct

 

 

Agree, what you HEAR, HEARD it all before.

 

But ol Nige' seems to be more about actions rather than words, he dont seem to swerve anything put to him, as Darcy says its more black and white.

 

Anyone know how I register to postal vote?

[Guest ragumup]

I think, I'm going to change my signature to something like... " Politicians have proven themselves to be compulsive liars. Nigel to date hasn't "

 

Or "other parties say one thing then do something else, Ukip thus far hasn't"...

[Ggib 370]

He just needs to say 100% repeal man and sort out immigration for the better and make Britain better for natives then I'd vote every time, but he needs to be more clear on the repeal of the stupid hunting act 1st

Edited October 8, 2014 by Ggib

[gnasher16 30,591]

I just dont think we are hearing anything we havent heard before it just so happens the timing in terms of our desperation is better.....give it another 10 years of desperation and there will be a new personality cult similar to Farrage to follow......from everything i see Ukip are not selling ideas they are selling Farrage and what happens after him ?... Ukip dont seem to have any intellectual assets/ideas they just have Farrage that just makes it a personality cult not a rising movement.....As Ragamup said he regards him as a leader but if for whatever reason Farrage becomes no more,Ukip become a cult without a leader and having wrapped himself in the Union Jack the sheep who follow him might just find their flock wandering off to the next most fashionable protest.......without doubt Farrage is a popular and very sellable character its easy to fall for all the " one of your own " booze and fags talk that we all love to hear and while its easy to say as a stockbrokers son raised in rural Kent this is not x factor its not a popularity contest id imagine not since Maggie has there been a party so dependant on one person but take him away and whats left ?......the same old " well who else is there to vote for " reasons.........personally im not interested in whether someone is charismatic id rather have a boring bunch of decent,non corrupt,competent people dedicated to running things properly....charisma is not a measure of integrity i dont want a comedian running the country......not even a funny one !

[Born Hunter 17,832]

You're right in that UKIP would be nothing without Farage but that's because all political movements need a cover man. People respond to that. You can have the most sensible policies in the world but without the right delivery you're dead in the water, that's just politics unfortunately.

 

Personally, I like UKIPs politics and their attitudes. It fits in with so much of where I feel I stand politically. Not all of it but it's refreshing nonetheless. I don't know who exactly you are referring to when you say 'we have seen it all before' but I haven't myself, historically I think you would have to go a fair way back in the conservative/unionist politics to find anything similar. Politically right wing parties are not all the same, politics is more than a one dimensional left-right spectrum.

[J Darcy 5,871]

I just dont think we are hearing anything we havent heard before it just so happens the timing in terms of our desperation is better.....give it another 10 years of desperation and there will be a new personality cult similar to Farrage to follow......from everything i see Ukip are not selling ideas they are selling Farrage and what happens after him ?... Ukip dont seem to have any intellectual assets/ideas they just have Farrage that just makes it a personality cult not a rising movement.....As Ragamup said he regards him as a leader but if for whatever reason Farrage becomes no more,Ukip become a cult without a leader and having wrapped himself in the Union Jack the sheep who follow him might just find their flock wandering off to the next most fashionable protest.......without doubt Farrage is a popular and very sellable character its easy to fall for all the " one of your own " booze and fags talk that we all love to hear and while its easy to say as a stockbrokers son raised in rural Kent this is not x factor its not a popularity contest id imagine not since Maggie has there been a party so dependant on one person but take him away and whats left ?......the same old " well who else is there to vote for " reasons.........personally im not interested in whether someone is charismatic id rather have a boring bunch of decent,non corrupt,competent people dedicated to running things properly....charisma is not a measure of integrity i dont want a comedian running the country......not even a funny one !

So who do you support now then Gnash? and who did you vote for in the last election?

[Born Hunter 17,832]

I also think that many see UKIP for what they want them to be, a far right nationalist party, and not for what they are a right of centre libertarian party. Those people will be/become dissolutioned with UKIP because their fundamental politics are not the same.

[Truther 1,579]

You're right in that UKIP would be nothing without Farage but that's because all political movements need a cover man. People respond to that. You can have the most sensible policies in the world but without the right delivery you're dead in the water, that's just politics unfortunately.

 

Personally, I like UKIPs politics and their attitudes. It fits in with so much of where I feel I stand politically. Not all of it but it's refreshing nonetheless. I don't know who exactly you are referring to when you say 'we have seen it all before' but I haven't myself, historically I think you would have to go a fair way back in the conservative/unionist politics to find anything similar. Politically right wing parties are not all the same, politics is more than a one dimensional left-right spectrum.

 

" i don't know who exactly you are referring to when you say "we have seen it all before" but i haven't myself" That's because ive got purse nets older than you BH lol.

 

How much politics has there been down history? Its got to have started from the very beginning of us living in groups, you can see the behaviour in monkey groups ect, little cliques plotting against each other. Politics has been really complicated for thousands of years, much more developed than you might think, our system today is still based on Greek plays.

 

Question mate, if we've had politics all this time why hasn't it worked, why do we still have wars and hardship, thousands starving?

[Born Hunter 17,832]

Lol, the "you're to young to know better" line.

Edited October 8, 2014 by Born Hunter

[Born Hunter 17,832]

Truther, I don't know what you're getting at. In one paragraph you're telling me we have had politics since the dawn of man and the next you're implying it's useless. What does either of those have to do with my comment that ukip are not the same old right wing party we're used to seeing?

[Truther 1,579]

Because it is the same old same old mate, you just don't understand it.

 

And you'll never get away from politics, everything is politics, its the driving force behind politics that are useless, useless to the masses that is, very useful and encouraged by the people who run politics though.

 

What do you know about Benobo's, without googling sunshine im timing you lol.

[Born Hunter 17,832]

They f**k to resolve conflict, lol. As opposed to chimps that fight.

 

What the f**k do bonobos have to do with anything, lol.

 

You do like to side track don't you. I still say you'll have to go back along way into conservative politics to find a ukip esque party/movement. The majority of these nationalist party's that I have inferred have been very socialist in their views. Where have we seen a libertarian party?